Most samurais ive met never used AOE

[SpecialKK]

The bigger question is: why do bards and machinist ALWAYS have Peloton but rarely mp/tp refresh in dungeons?

Can't count how many times I go B-to-the-wall with SAM aoe and not see TP refresh, then as soon as the mobs are dead I see the stupid green peloton.

[TaiyoShikasu]

Gotta save that three seconds between mobs just use Invigorate.

Paraphrasing something I was once told.

[LunarEmerald]

The newest 24 man has proven that the majority of players aren't capable of basic math.

[Hacchan]

Rule of thumb i usually go for regardless of the class
Intense AoE combo if is there's more than 3 mobs, simple as that.

SAM AoE combo is TP heavy so it's a waste if you use for less than 3 mobs and you can just go on the 2nd combo with 2 sen (3 hit combo followed by yuki combo) + Kyuten for those or when you're low on TP, BRD doesn't reply to TP refresh request or Invigorate is on CD.
Enmity is no longer an issue for SAM with 4.3 and the change to Merciful Eye, which is hyper useful for those AoE spam. Got aggro ? third eye up and pop merciful eye and bam -20% enmity and all is good.

Also sidenote @silentwindfr you're not doing max potency per target, the AoE (Mangetsu / Oka and Tenka) on the SAM work like Holy, you're doing the full potency to the first target it hit and then drop 5% of that potency up to 25% potency loss for 2 attack while Tenka drop by 10% instead, but in both case potency bottom out after the 4th target.

[Okamimaru]

I wouldn't say merciful eyes is an easy agro dump... timing getting hit (and actually getting hit) to reduce agro is situational at best...

[Ekimmak]

The bigger question is: why do bards and machinist ALWAYS have Peloton but rarely mp/tp refresh in dungeons?

Can't count how many times I go B-to-the-wall with SAM aoe and not see TP refresh, then as soon as the mobs are dead I see the stupid green peloton.

There are three role skills I'll always have as BRD/MCH, Peloton, Refresh, and Tactician.

Because once I can get Palisade... what else is there? Stuns are unreliable in dungeons, since everybody spams them to high heaven (and bosses ignore them), silences aren't 100% obvious on whether the current skill can be stopped with it (and also are almost always ignored by bosses), and the less said about roots and heavy the better.

So what should I have instead of Peloton?

[Kitfox]

So what should I have instead of Peloton?

Refresh, Tactician, Palisade, Second Wind, Invigorate.

[SwarleyMcSwarls]

I feel this can be applied to almost every job. Duty finder people are crazy.

[RayneBoemir]

It’s not just SAM but other players in other classes maybe you notice more SAM since it’s more common. In my glamour farm runs I have seen it all so many classes not AoEing down mobs. One time had a SMN that I swear was just AFK for the whole run. What’s hilarious is that not only are these players not AoEing they also don’t Goad me even though I have already used Tactician and Invigorate the mobs are not dead and I have zero tp.

[TaiyoShikasu]

Haha, who uses Goad?

Seriously, the amount of times I've seen it can be counted on one hand. First time I saw it, I had to do a double take.