Do You Want Revisions or a New Game?

[Gemina]

Well, it's one of the top points of FFXI, the content wasn't devalued one bit. People still wanted to go after those Byakko's Haidate. Honestly, I don't think subs fell after ToAU, WotG might've seen that effect, but definitely not ToAU. The only real change to the game came with Abyssea, the rest just added to what was there, and even with Abyssea, through the Trials, old content was still desirable to do.

People still go after their ARR relics and run old content in this game, so I am not sure what your point is? Again, it's neither here or there because it steers the conversation towards a FFXI progression vs FFXIV progression. We can make another thread to cover how things devalue over time.

I admit, I exaggerate a bit when I say things like "grave mistake" or "fatal error", but it's a similar thought process when someone decides to unsub because the game is no longer enjoyable to play. I don't know if you were around pre-ToAU, but a lot of stuff changed with its release that many players didn't agree with. I don't have a fancy chart that shows this massive drop in subs, and only go by those who said they were going to drop, did drop, and servers becoming less populated. I believe the first merging of servers happened after WoTG release, but you also have to factor that servers had to be declining steadily before the decision was mad to do so.

Don't get me wrong though. I am not saying change is not good, but I am saying it can be bad.

[Tanathya]

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People doing ARR relics is a tiny, insignificant portion, and it's not relevant, that's the point. And yes, I've been in FFXI exactly since the day it was released in NA, up until 2015, and things barely changed per se with ToAU, except maybe with the fact that people didn't want BLMs in their parties due to colibris mimicking. That was the biggest change/imbalance, period, the rest was content added to what was already there.

[Remedi]

Since they have recently said that they are going to keep updating FFXI with story and battle content, I think that asking them to essentially port anything from there will do no good imho, apparently the game is still profitable for them or they simply care about it that they want to keep it going as such I don't really see them copiying it to a new game.
I think However SE should work to fix 1.0 leftover problems that are still impairing the game to this day

[Dualblade]

Since they have recently said that they are going to keep updating FFXI with story and battle content, I think that asking them to essentially port anything from there will do no good imho, apparently the game is still profitable for them or they simply care about it that they want to keep it going as such I don't really see them copiying it to a new game.
I think However SE should work to fix 1.0 leftover problems that are still impairing the game to this day

To my understanding they have in fact been fixing many leftover problems, its just not as fast as anyone would want since they still have to make the rest of the patches/expansions and all that. If they could concentrate on just those problems they'd probably get fixed much quicker, but that would also mean much less new content for the playerbase, which most of us would care more about even if getting those 1.0 problems fixed faster would be better in the long run.

[Remedi]

I see your point and it's something I wonder too, fixing leftover problems that are slowing new content or getting some content with slowing down fixing problems?. I probably would lean to fix problems, but that's just me, most likely most ppl would prefer new content

[CainCrimson]

I'm in the 'fix old problems first, and once the foundation is solid start brigning new content' crowd.

[Talraen]

I'm in the 'fix old problems first, and once the foundation is solid start brigning new content' crowd.

One question I have is, is it worth it for them to fix old problems? If they invest a lot of money into rewriting their server code, is that going to attract enough new users to justify that cost? I suspect the answer is no, and that's why they haven't done it.

[TheMightyMollusk]

No way in hell am I leveling everything all over again.

.....who am I kidding, I would.....

[Mahrze]

i don't really like FFXIV lore. i don't like the concept of playing a character with the Echo, Hydaelyn, how Primals exist, or even Beast Tribes as implemented in FFXIV.

i still NEED to have a Garlemald expansion and i want to see the end of the Ascian/Zodiark storyline but after that i'm ready for a new world with some entirely new concepts.

i have serious doubts of going 2 expansions past Garlemald.

So, because the story ends for you, we should just move on to a new MMO? lol ok.

[Talraen]

No way in hell am I leveling everything all over again.

.....who am I kidding, I would.....

Honestly, given FFXIV's vertical progression, I'm not sure it would really matter. If I'm leveling from 81-90 or 1-50, I'm still doing new levels in a new area, and my old gear is obsolete (albeit for different reasons). Or maybe they can do something interesting to replace of the age-old leveling concept.

So, because the story ends for you, we should just move on to a new MMO? lol ok.

Sure, why not? Why do we want to be playing the same game with the same engine forever?