Patch 4.3 Dungeon unhappiness

[Delily]

What you said is actually quite offensive to me. Not everyone with disabilities - like me for example - can just cope with 10 minute of 8 man content and just move on.

Just 10 minutes of byakko NM was a nightmare for me that had me needing medication just to calm down afterwards because of the stress.

How exactly did you clear Shinryu then? Because outside of the orbs, normal Byakko is not stressful.

[BluexBird]

It's not like you have to do Byakko Extreme. o_o I don't get what all the fuss is about. lol

I mean, that's like complaining that you were "forced" to do Susano and Lakshmimi to get where you are now.

[Theodric]

To be fair, difficulty is completely subjective. What's easy for some is hard for others.

With that said...Byakko is a fairly forgiving fight. Even if someone dies, everybody else can pick up the slack - there aren't any mechanics that will lead to everybody wiping if one person messes up.

[Matrinka]

I can't wait to see your reaction to having to do the new primal in the MSQ. It is leagues more difficult than Byakko.

[Popotato]

Wouldn’t 8 man content be less stressful if anything? 4 man content has fewer people so there is a bigger burden on each individual player. For DPS there isn’t really much stress in 8 man or 4 man content, but for tanks and healers, you have a back up player to help you put if you need it. Most of the time I feel less stressed in 8 man content when I do heal or tank for that reason.

[InkstainedGwyn]

I will say that as someone with anxiety, the likely response to this is not that they feel stressed due to the "difficulty" but because of having to perform new content with other people, possibly pugs.

Now, my opinion on this is that if something stresses you out to that level you should probably not be doing it, especially when it's a major part of the "main" element of XIV, which is story/progression. I do understand that it's each to their own, however, and it's not my place to tell someone not to do something. However, I can't agree that this is unfair due to the fact that it's optional content and they've gated MSQ behind the same things since late 2.0.

[Vhailor]

I will say that as someone with anxiety, the likely response to this is not that they feel stressed due to the "difficulty" but because of having to perform new content with other people, possibly pugs.

My girlfriend suffered from this anxiety for months before she felt comfortable running new content without me queuing alongside her. The thing that confuses me about the OP's request is that they seem frustrated that they can't run the new 4-person dungeon, which involves... performing new content with other people, possibly PUGs.

Still, it's not my place to judge. Like you, as I stated above, I think that the optional nature of this content, and the fact that it gates a supposedly high-level Roulette (rather than a more generic one), makes the decision fair game.

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

It probably takes, like, five minutes to beat Byakko and then you never have to do it again. It's not like the dungeon is gated behind Lord of Verminion.

[RokkuEkkusu]

I mean in the Main Story quest, you had to clear 8-man trials Ifrit Hard, Garuda Hard, and Titan Hard to access to a 4-man dungeon like Keeper of the Lake.

To add to that, you also had to clear an 8-man trial like Ravana Hard to gain access to a 4-man dungeon like Sohm Al in Heavensward.

It's nothing new really.


For the Four Lords storyline, you already faced TWO of the four lords (Genbu and Byakko) before going into the Swallow's Compass. If anything, you could make the same case for a four-man dungeon like Hell's Lid and it's last boss Genbu.

[RiyahArp]

I can't wait to see your reaction to having to do the new primal in the MSQ. It is leagues more difficult than Byakko.

I was going to mention this. The last part is actually harder than susano ex mechanics, lol. faster paced.

How exactly did you clear Shinryu then? Because outside of the orbs, normal Byakko is not stressful.

if they have anxiety, its often not like they choose what is stressful or not. Sometimes what triggers it may not even be that hard' if big line aoes show up or something, idk.

I guess too it depends when they did shin. If they did it a few months ago, versus at launch. Now the ilvl lets you survive hits that one shotted you before, and the big one shots have pretty slow tells.