Patch 4.3 Dungeon unhappiness

[Denatris]

Wow...I have learned a valuable lesson here tonight. Let me say finally as the OP I will be leaving this thread. I have learned it is illegal in the world to express an opinion, but seems to be endless entertainment for anyone who wants to snip and bite others for their opinion to make themselves feel better. To all those REASONABLE ppl who replied..thank you for your opinions and your knowledge. I will no longer be reading or posting to this thread...if I knew how to close it I would.

[Tsumdere]

There have been TEN 8-man trials REQUIRED to progress the MSQ - Cape Westwind, Chrysalis, Ravana, Bismark, Thordan, Nidhogg, Susano, Lakshimi, Shinryu, and now Tsukuyomi (I can't remember if Shiva/Mog/Ifrit HMs were required). If you did not do any of those (sans Tsukuyomi at this point), you would never unlock dungeon roulette because you would sit there and not progress through the MSQ.

Byakko is one of the easier trials by far. Chrysalis, Ravana, Nidhogg, Lakshimi, Shinryu and Tsukuyomi are all harder. If you can do all of those MANDATORY MSQ trials, then you should not have a problem with an OPTIONAL one.

If you are having such trouble doing it because of such severe anxiety, I heavily recommend taking a step back and getting some help. Media cannot accommodate to such severe reactions. If they did, we would have nothing. Pardon if my words come out as harsh, but this is coming from someone who used to also have extreme, harmful anxiety due to orange chromophobia and had to learn to get help and cope because it is asinine to ask people and companies to change to your very specific disorder.

[savageink]

There have been TEN 8-man trials REQUIRED to progress the MSQ - Cape Westwind, Chrysalis, Ravana, Bismark, Thordan, Nidhogg, Susano, Lakshimi, Shinryu, and now Tsukuyomi (I can't remember if Shiva/Mog/Ifrit HMs were required).

All 3 original HM primals were required to advance MSQ up to Heavensward. You couldn't get to HW without doing the 3 HM quests.

...I don't think ramuh, levi, shiva, and king mog have normal just HM.

[Mikey_R]

To clarify, ALL ARR primals are required, Titan/Garuda/Ifrit being ones locked behind a side story, but the MSQ will prevent you from continuing until you complete them.

Also, everyone seems to miss Steps of Faith (NOT final), yes, it's forgettable, yes, it's bad, but it is still an 8-man trial.

[Lambdafish]

Wow...I have learned a valuable lesson here tonight. Let me say finally as the OP I will be leaving this thread. I have learned it is illegal in the world to express an opinion, but seems to be endless entertainment for anyone who wants to snip and bite others for their opinion to make themselves feel better. To all those REASONABLE ppl who replied..thank you for your opinions and your knowledge. I will no longer be reading or posting to this thread...if I knew how to close it I would.

Here is how freedom of speech works: You are entitled to your opinion, you can freely express that and nobody can complain about you doing so. However people also have the freedom to freely react to your opinion and dissect, deconstruct, and provide better justification as a counterpoint. Nobody is taking away your opinion, but by expressing this post, you are saying that people can't tell you that you are wrong, which takes away their freedom to react. We learn as a species by listening to all sides and choosing the one with the most weight, not by complaining when people don't agree with your opinion.

The weight that I am talking about is that as has been repeatedly stated, 8 man content has always been a requirement and a core to the game. Unless completion of Cape Westwind, Castrum, Praetorium, Moogle HM, Leviathan HM, Ramuh HM, Shiva HM, Chrysalis, Steps of faith, Ravana HM, Bismark HM, Thordan HM, Final Steps of Faith, Susano HM, Lakshmi HM, and Shinryu HM aren't also required in unlocking the dungeon that you are complaining about.

There have been TEN 8-man trials REQUIRED to progress the MSQ

I count 17 8 man instances, 15 of which are trials, 14 of which are required to access 4.3 content. The OP literally needs to get through 14 other 8 man trials plus castrum/praetorium in order to even face byakko and get to the dungeon.

[Mholito]

I never touched the original three HM or EX primals until the MSQ HM Titan had me. I may have UNLOCKED them but I never completed them until 3.3-3.5 when my fc ran them unsynced. So all that KoL required was the proper minimum ilvl and completed the MSQ up to that point.

You most certainly did complete the original three HM primals because they are all required to start the 2.5 main scenario. (you specifically need to have completed all three to accept the quest Good intentions) The only way you could reach Heavensward content without ever doing them is by purchasing the story skip.

[Vhailor]

In patch 4.2, when the new dungeon, Hell's Lid, was connected to the Four Lords storyline and seperated from the main storyline, no mention was made by anyone at SE that this would be the new way of things, and what was to come. Now lands patch 4.3, and the new DUngeon, Swallow's Compass, is again tied to the Four Lords storyline, but now we come to realize that we MUST fight the Four Lords in order to open a dungeon for the Duty Roulette. I AM NOT HAPPY WITH CHOICE BEING REMOVED. In 4.2 I could make the choice to NOT do Byakko. Now I am being slapped in the FACE by SE and told ...YOU WILL DO BYAKKO IN ORDER TO UNLOCK A DUTY ROULETTE DUNGEON. Thank you SE, for REMOVING MY CHOICE, and FORCING me to do content that I may otherwise not choose to do. Can you please tell us what you will FORCE US to do next, so that I may prepare myself ?? Thank you for your attention. And Yoshi-P...if you are reading this...I give this patch a grade of D minus for this reason. Thank you.

I think I'd be a lot more sympathetic to this post if you were speaking about a dungeon locking you out of the Level 70 Roulette. Given that it is the 'Expert' Roulette (not that any of the dungeons remotely justify the name), I don't feel it's especially wrong of SE to lock it behind what is now a modest challenge at most.

[alimdia]

I never touched the original three HM or EX primals until the MSQ HM Titan had me. I may have UNLOCKED them but I never completed them until 3.3-3.5 when my fc ran them unsynced. So all that KoL required was the proper minimum ilvl and completed the MSQ up to that point.

What about the others I mentioned? levi, king mog, ramuh, shiva? All of them were required by the main story. I'd also like to add castrum and praetorium as they are also 8 man dungeons.

Incorrect again. Again, all that was required to unlock any non MSQ, lvl 60 4-man dungeons was the proper ilvl and I believe the MSQ "Heavensward".

I'd like to see how you went past the level 53 main story without killing ravana, or past the 57 without killing bismarck, or how you completed "Heavensward" without killing thordan, or how you got to stormblood without killing nidhogg.

So you are basically saying there little difference between those with no disabilities and people with BOTH physical and mental disabilities. Forgive me if I ignore your offensive and ignorant self in the future.

How did you manage to twist "there's little difference between 8 man story content and 4 man story content" into "there little difference between those with no disabilities and people with BOTH physical and mental disabilities"? You're putting words in my mouth, all I said is if you can clear 4 man story content you can clear 8 man story content, they aren't much different.

[SummonerSenah]

I just think it's odd to be less nervous with four people than eight. I know in dungeons it's easier for me to notice when someone else is playing poorly, compared to eight man trials. The more people there are, the easier it is to blend in.

[Delily]

If he is, the OP still voicing a sentiment shared by others.
And I am a fairly casual player and I avoid 8 and 24 man content because I just don't find them as enjoyable as 4 man content. Mainly because of IRL physical and mental disabilities, I'm not good and coping with mechanics that will straight up kill you if you fail, vs mechanics that only have the possibility of killing you if you fail.

:thinkingemoji: Have you ever done any raid or trial in this game?

"But why would you want avoid such content, you filthy casual?", you ask. Because, my dear elitists, would you rather play with a player who can cope with the skill level required of the 8 and 24 man content, or would you rather play with a player who once he fails a mechanic a couple of times his mental state starts to worsen and negatively affect his in-game performance?

People can claim to be elite when they clear floors 3 and 4 or the current savage raid and Ultimate, but everything else in this game is not that hard. Some of the trials are challenging, but seriously, none of them are that stressful. I don't think you've done too many.