According to FFLogs, AST pDPS >= WHM pDPS in 4.3

[kittyn]

I think were quite a few world-first groups who took WHM as well as DRK for Sigmascape. There will doubtless be many more who take WHM/DRK for the new ultimate as well.


Anybody crying over top 1% healer parses on FFLOGS doing 50 DPS less than another healer have something very wrong going on in their head. Bottom line.

[Yuyuka3]

I think were quite a few world-first groups who took WHM as well as DRK for Sigmascape. There will doubtless be many more who take WHM/DRK for the new ultimate as well.


Anybody crying over top 1% healer parses on FFLOGS doing 50 DPS less than another healer have something very wrong going on in their head. Bottom line.

With the other healer in question also bringing more raid DPS in general because buffs. Nothing wrong complaining about imbalance where there is imbalance. That's the only way to get rid of it - pointing it out (and praying that the Devs finally get their asses up and actually do something about the imbalance...).

[kittyn]

There's a reason many hardcore groups take whm for prog.....You don't hear "AST Mains" crying about that.

This isn't WoW....we don't want every job to be the same. There are strengths and weaknesses....you might perceive it as an imbalance, but it isn't necessarily.

[Saraphin]

AST mains have nothing to cry about. they're a 100% promised slot in most pug groups and in speed runs. They're quite frankly getting QoL and Buffs often (while everyone got a nerf bat at the beginning of SB via the new Cross Role system and class skill adjustments)

[Yuyuka3]

There's a reason many hardcore groups take whm for prog.....You don't hear "AST Mains" crying about that.

I want the number of hardcore groups taking WHM over AST for prog, and also the numbers from the final Omega (meaning Omega 3), please, since numbers from a mostly balanced past are kinda useless for an unbalanced future.

And why the HELL should an AST main cry? They weren't bad off for a very long time now, and are on the way on being mandatory again, who would ever cry about that???
Plus, comparing the number of buffs ASTs got compared to WHMs, they got no effing reason to ever complain. Not stopping some from doing so anyway, but that's humans for you.

[kittyn]

If you ever played ast pre-4.3 you'd know the GCD clipping was one of the most god-awful things to ever have to experience or deal with...that is if you even know what it's like to keep your GCD rolling for an entire fight..

[Yuyuka3]

If you ever played ast pre-4.3 you'd know the GCD clipping was one of the most god-awful things to ever have to experience or deal with...that is if you even know what it's like to keep your GCD rolling for an entire fight..

Not sure how that's related, and what that got to do with the completely uncalled-for buff to LS that's responsible for a lot of the damage gain, but okay. Sure.
It also doesn't change how the class was viewed in the past, namely, great because of buffs. Last time I checked, this was about damage output, not how the class felt.

[kittyn]

Lightspeed has almost nothing to do with the DPS gain. LOL wow. The lightspeed buff might be that 50 dps pushing top ASTs ahead...again, only in highly coordinated groups with minimal GCDs spent on healing.


Pug ASTs will almost never get to do gravity bursts on non-adds

[Yuyuka3]

Lightspeed has almost nothing to do with the DPS gain. LOL wow.

Helping with MP issues by buffing the reduction percentage has a LOT to do with DPS gains in my eyes, and the fact that LS now doesn't reduce damage anymore means that AST now at least can DPS while using that skill. Not solely, but at least LS doesn't gimp ASTs damage output anymore, so there is a gain if you want to see it or not. Yes, clipping reduction is also important, but don't underestimate this particular buff.

[kittyn]

Healer gcd clipping has a far greater impact on dps output than 10 seconds of damage-reduced lightspeed....before 4.3 I would almost exclusively use lightspeed to rez only.

Now it can be used to move or do gravity-bursts IF you have the mp to spare..still doesn't come cheap. MP is still a huge issue for AST...if anything you'd use lightspeed to conserve throughout a lot of fights.