Thread: According to FFLogs, AST pDPS >= WHM pDPS in 4.3

Called it. (This post serves no other purpose than to pat myself on the back)
Also I've been meaning to respond to one of Miste's posts somewhere but forgot where it was... Also probably no longer relevant.

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

I'm repeating myself here, but a lot of people have given up on SCH ever being balanced. It's in a class of it's own at this point. The one time it was doing slightly bad, SE buffed it up immediately without hesitation and have done so in every patch in SB so far whether it needed it or not.

For better or worse, AST is the only job we can hope to have a chance at matching because we're not too far from them. Since SCH is an indisputable spot in any static raid spot, it's usually just WHM vs Diu AST, which is why you'll see most WHM specifically mentioning AST when talking about balance. They're all we're comparable to.
It's not that we think SCH is balanced and fine where it is, it's just a losing battle complaining about them.

Edit: I use the word we a lot, but this is just my opinion really. Obviously it would be nice for SCH to step down a bit and give everyone else a chance, but that's just not happening.

The issue, as has been since 2.0, is White Mage lacks utility and generally has to work harder than other healers because White Mage is more of the manual stick-shift type of healer whereas SCH and AST have more automatic functions, especially SCH.

WHM doesn't have enough unique traits to it and I wish it did. No idea why they robbed us of our Stoneskin either even if we have Divine Benison I would still like Stonesklin II back.

Guess it's time to learn AST or play another role. I don't trust SE to fix WHM with how they've handled them at the end of HW.

Originally Posted by Fiorinol

Guess it's time to learn AST or play another role. I don't trust SE to fix WHM with how they've handled them at the end of HW.

Might as well it is not that hard next to Whm and outside of Cure 3 and Thin Air it has more going for it, it feels really good right now.

Originally Posted by Jxnibbles

Might as well it is not that hard next to Whm and outside of Cure 3 and Thin Air it has more going for it, it feels really good right now.

I really dislike the card mechanic. RNG is very frustrating and makes it difficult to have a consistent run.

Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

I'm repeating myself here, but a lot of people have given up on SCH ever being balanced. [...] The one time it was doing slightly bad, SE buffed it up immediately without hesitation and have done so in every patch in SB so far whether it needed it or not.

For better or worse, AST is the only job we can hope to have a chance at matching because we're not too far from them. Since SCH is an indisputable spot in any static raid spot, it's usually just WHM vs Diu AST, which is why you'll see most WHM specifically mentioning AST when talking about balance. They're all we're comparable to.
It's not that we think SCH is balanced and fine where it is, it's just a losing battle complaining about them. [...]

I couldn't have said it any better. SCH is SE's favorite child for whatever effing reason, closely followed by AST. WHM is the hated step-child.

Spoiler:

You know, just like Yotsuyu. They even w***ed out our abilities...

Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

No, ironically, in 2.x WHM had utility. It was stripped for fear WHM would become mandatory.

Are you referring to Stoneskin II? That's still suck a shame, considering AST and SCH both have skills that can be considered mandatory in raids (SCH especially).
It almost feels like they hand select which jobs to meticulously balance, and which jobs to just go all out and break.