Been running Ridorana Lighthouse the whole week and...

[Cidel]

Maybe some people like a sense of progression in their jobs, even if they don't intend to play them at a high level. Maybe someone wants to have a sense of variety with what they play in dungeons, or raids and want to gear up jobs for that. There's plenty of reasons why someone might want gear, doesn't make them wrong because they don't align with your ideal way of playing the game.

But then why do people who are perfectly willing to bring their respective (and possibly main) job to the content have the risk of missing out on an upgrade to someone who doesn't need the ilvl increase as urgently? It really looks like entitlement when somebody gets upset that somebody else has job/role precedence on a random drop they may even be able to use right then and there.

And as for runs going smoother, you're right that its when people do mechanics, but wouldn't you say that mechanics are easier to handle in a job you're more comfortable in? :thinking:

People are capable of handling mechanics on their alts. Just as well as people can neglect to do mechanics on their mains. If they insinuate that they want people to have the absolute minimum difficulty handling mechanics for every content by just playing their main job, why even play any of your alt jobs anywhere? :thinking: Just run your main on everything.

@Cidel: Off-topic, but what game is the picture in your Signature from? Looks fun ^^

Oh, lol no, just made a little something of my character that's visually Castlevania-inspired.

[Alleo]

I don't really get what you're trying to say.

And you still could have done that with the old system. You just had to have luck (which you need too right now) that the one that could roll need does not need it. But unlike before those that need gear thanks to having a low main job will now lose the roll to someone that does not need it for their main or for gear progression at all. So before that people could gear up their jobs if they want to with need, and all those people that did not want to run the instance with the job could still get loot.

In the end you might now not even be able to gear your monk because everyone can only greed now and might roll on it just to have something..thus your chance is not much higher and those that could need it for their main will have a lesser chance...great change!

[TristanBlane]

its not fair thats why i only run it once a week for completion and the token if i get a drop cool if not i move on

100% same ,I don't even bother. I'm glad the gear is so ugly that it doesn't bother me too much but whatever. Hopefully SE changes this soon.

[Pastahnak]

So I just want to start by saying I think the greed all system is still dumb, but I understand why it's there. JP and NA/EU play MMOs incredibly differently in that JP players don't really leave between patches or lulls while it's common for NA players to get off for a month or so and play something else while they wait for new content. So when we get to something like the 24 man that is treated like catch up gear in NA for people who don't play as much, in JP it's used to gear up jobs they don't play as much, still a sort of catch up gear system but for different reasons. I've found myself treating the 24man like this where I go in as a tank (something I'm comfortable playing on) and I've been rolling on monk gear(something I'm not comfortable on but would like to learn to play better, and also dat Vaan gear <3), both times I've won my loot the past two weeks, I've asked any mnk/sam in the party if I could roll (first week there was no one to ask, second week there was)

[BillyKaplan]

JP

They don't like this change either, supposedly.

both times I've won my loot the past two weeks, I've asked any mnk/sam in the party if I could roll (first week there was no one to ask, second week there was)

That's because you are a decent individual.

[Vaer]

That's kind of the point I'm trying to make though. You can go on a job thats needed, or one you feel comfortable on and still roll for stuff you might need.

And the reverse is also true. If you main healer or tank, but don't want to deal with it because 24 mans are a super slog with people dying constantly or people OTing in tank stance you can also switch to DPS and still roll on healer/tank gear while someone else does all the work. So really to me, it's a wash.

Also, my point was why is greed only needed if you can get catch up gear in many other ways like you said.

Personally I haven't seen it get any smoother. Still a lot of wipes due to basic mistakes.

I honestly can't tell who this change helps (other than SE, since it probably makes it take longer to get gear) other than a subset of players that don't want to play the job but still want to get gear for it.

I don't really care about the 24 man gear since I do savage, but I feel bad for players who are outrolled for upgrades especially healers that have to raise 50 people per run and returning players that need upgrades really badly but can't win anything since their job set happens to have a good glamour piece.

[Leloa]

I have been lucky with my drops the past two weeks, my main is with 360 and 370 ilvl gear so don't really care which alt gets and what :P Don't rely on raid gear with your main

[Penthea]

Personally I haven't seen it get any smoother. Still a lot of wipes due to basic mistakes.

That's because most wipes in alliance raids are due to people not knowing boss tactics, not because they don't know their class or it's not well geared. For many bosses no amount of gear or class familiarity will save you if certain or enough mechanics aren't done correctly.

In other words, greed only failed to improve the quality of the groups in alliance raids. I don't know if that was SE's goal as they have been annoyingly quiet about this, but it's at least a rumour going around.

[MOZZYSTAR]

You had that option before as well.

I did, but I now have even higher options of getting it assuming there was X class in the party. There have been people (myself included) that will need for gear they don't need to gear up just to sell off to GC (or some other reason). While it's less likely to happen in Rid atm, given it's loot once a week, it will eventually happen. Personally, I get the greed-only option for older raids... not for new ones that are loot once a week only.

[BillyKaplan]

I did, but I now have even higher options of getting it assuming there was X class in the party.

X class who might need it a lot more than you do given you haven't even brought that class into the raid. To surmise, the only reason you're in favor of this change so far is that it worked in your favor. I wonder how much you'd be supportive if the healer gear you were waiting for had dropped, but you lost the roll to a DRG who spent most of the run on the floor.

Personally, I get the greed-only option for older raids... not for new ones that are loot once a week only.

I'd go as far as to add anything that is on-level. People have had a hard time catching up with Rabanastre because of this.