Been running Ridorana Lighthouse the whole week and...

[Cidel]

I don't really get what you're trying to say.

Essentially what I think he's saying (and others have said before in various discussions) is that if you are not "comfortable enough" bringing any job of yours into these 24-man raid alliance, then the whole purpose of "gearing it up" from drops in this raid is rather questionable. These raids are very "casual-friendly" end game DF activities and I would daresay being able to function comfortably on a level 70 job in a 24-man raid is almost like a rite of passage to more "demanding" level 70 content. If you don't want to play as something in 24-man alliance raids, what content do you need the ilvl gear upgrade for outside of faceroll dungeons?

Runs going "smoother" because people are playing their mains isn't the main issue. Runs go "smoother" if people do the boss mechanics correctly.

the ironic thing about this is greed only in a literal sense is the most fair it possibly can be and what people are mad about and calling unfair is the inability to use classes to shift the odds in their own favor

Okay, so? Do tell why its wrong that people running content are permitted to have lotting precedence on something they are actively participating in said content as?

I can flip that argument and point out people in favor of this change were just mad and calling the inability to gear up their jobs they couldn't be bothered to bring into the content "unfair" (despite, you know, all other DF content having those loot rules).

[Ryuseigoes]

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Maybe some people like a sense of progression in their jobs, even if they don't intend to play them at a high level. Maybe someone wants to have a sense of variety with what they play in dungeons, or raids and want to gear up jobs for that. There's plenty of reasons why someone might want gear, doesn't make them wrong because they don't align with your ideal way of playing the game.

And as for runs going smoother, you're right that its when people do mechanics, but wouldn't you say that mechanics are easier to handle in a job you're more comfortable in? :thinking:

[BillyKaplan]

wouldn't you say that mechanics are easier to handle in a job you're more comfortable in? :thinking:

Mechanics in and of themselves? No. You need to dodge in slightly different ways if you're melee or ranged but within that category it matters less if you're a healer or a caster, you stop casting and you move. Now, if you'd have said "easier to handle mechanics and perform your role", I'd have been down with that, but this is level 70 content. People should have at least that level of familiarity with their jobs at this point. If the only reason that BRD has a DRG is to run dungeons on, they can certainly settle for dungeon drops if not tomestones gear.

[Cidel]

Maybe some people like a sense of progression in their jobs, even if they don't intend to play them at a high level. Maybe someone wants to have a sense of variety with what they play in dungeons, or raids and want to gear up jobs for that. There's plenty of reasons why someone might want gear, doesn't make them wrong because they don't align with your ideal way of playing the game.

But then why do people who are perfectly willing to bring their respective (and possibly main) job to the content have the risk of missing out on an upgrade to someone who doesn't need the ilvl increase as urgently? It really looks like entitlement when somebody gets upset that somebody else has job/role precedence on a random drop they may even be able to use right then and there.

And as for runs going smoother, you're right that its when people do mechanics, but wouldn't you say that mechanics are easier to handle in a job you're more comfortable in? :thinking:

People are capable of handling mechanics on their alts. Just as well as people can neglect to do mechanics on their mains. If they insinuate that they want people to have the absolute minimum difficulty handling mechanics for every content by just playing their main job, why even play any of your alt jobs anywhere? :thinking: Just run your main on everything.

@Cidel: Off-topic, but what game is the picture in your Signature from? Looks fun ^^

Oh, lol no, just made a little something of my character that's visually Castlevania-inspired.