DPS who do 4k worth of damage = garbage tier

[NoctusT]

It would be funny if they required that, because I'm guessing you'd instantly lose 30% of people willing to join farm parties. keep in mind if 5000 is the average, the amount of people 4500 and below is going to be roughly equal to those 5500 and higher.

Soooo.... I really don't have a dog in this fight, but a few things are off about this argument:

1) You're pulling a bunch of numbers out of thin air with no basis for them.

2) You're assuming a lot of stuff about people considering there is no in game parser "officially" speaking.

3) Do you mean that people will become more open about this if square added an in-game parser? That's a rather big assumption to make since Square's current rules are there to prevent or report such harassment. If Square does include a parser, I don't understand why they'd change the rules.

4) There's a big difference between "clear party" bad dps and "not knowing a basic rotation for your main job" bad DPS.

4.5) If someone is harassing someone in a learning party about their "clear party" bad DPS then they're really not someone you want to be raiding with in the first place.


If you have a monk in a learning party that's doing 4k in their opener, that's really really bad. So bring this in line with the main topic of this thread, here's why you'd kick such a monk:
If they can't be bothered to learn a basic opener for their main job, how can you expect them to properly learn mechanics and not be a drain on the team's resources?

By team resources here I mean the time spent wiping to mechanics because this monk isn't doing them/ hasn't bothered looking them up. Or the MP wasted by the healers/RDM/SMN on raising said monk because he died.

Mind you I'm not saying this hypothetical monk is garbage just that they should really learn how to play their job if they wanna raid.

EDIT: browser is being a bad boy. Also the char limit in these forums makes me cry.

[RiyahArp]

Soooo.... I really don't have a dog in this fight, but a few things are off about this argument:.

1. 4-6.5k or so seems to me to be a rough spectrum of dps in those fights, and people here gave an average of 5k DPS. I don't think it's that far off. Extremely high dps would be canceled out by people who bought their runs, but both would be small. Tahts how percentiles work in general, they conform to a U shaped bell curve.

2,3. Again, the teeth in it I think is using third party tools. When that threat is gone, I don't think simple meanness = harassment. Keep in mind in Feast, they removed chat over banning a lot of people for toxic behavior.

4. I doubt it. Most people who do that low won't try savage for long. Remember the topic was 4k dps, not 2.5k dps.

4.5. ..yeah you say this, but if he's the top DPS, people probably would put up with him a lot more than you think.

There's all this fear about people suddenly becoming incredibly toxic or something but thing is that people are already being kicked for bad DPS, they just don't know WHY they've been kicked, or the party leader lies to them to be nice about it.

They no longer have to lie to protect themselves. And again, its what you believe about people. We'd see if they'd allow it, but the fact that they don't makes me think they really don't trust players to do the right thing.

[NoctusT]

They no longer have to lie to protect themselves. And again, its what you believe about people. We'd see if they'd allow it, but the fact that they don't makes me think they really don't trust players to do the right thing.

I don't expect them to trust players. I just want them to stop hindering folks who want to improve and learn new jobs because they play on PS4. PC players already have parsers and world prog raiders have shown these parsers on their streams. The dev team doesn't care so long as you don't be a jerk about it.

"Again, the teeth in it I think is using third party tools. When that threat is gone, I don't think simple meanness = harassment. Keep in mind in Feast, they removed chat over banning a lot of people for toxic behavior."

I don't know what you mean by this? That they'll remove ACT? Please see my point above if so. They do not care that you use act.
The removal of chat in Feast was a controversial decision that a number of people complained about iirc.

EDIT: OMG please remove this stupid character limit.

EDIT 2: why would they no longer have to lie? Please answer this question: why would square remove their current rules if they added in an in game parser. If anything they'd only make them more strict.