DPS who do 4k worth of damage = garbage tier

[MoroMurasaki]

I'm not sure the toxicity would be erased if you saw dps. If anything people might just end up being toxic to the sam and drg even if they don't act like idiots. It would be worse because in their mind they are justified, and the drg and sam would have to eat it and endure the kick. I think over time it might make people gunshy in the same way they are of healers and tanks, because if there's a decent enough negativity towards failure people become risk averse and avoid things as not to get reamed out.

I believe the SAM and DRG in Hyo and Cass's example getting kicked wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, though. Before anyone cries toxicity read the rest of the post.

It was a farm, not a learning or clear party. Farm parties are designed to clear a fight multiple times. That party was lucky that they had some strong DPS with them (Hyo on BRD in particular is kinda magical to watch) but if all the dps in the party were performing at the level of that DRG and SAM there is no way they would ever clear even with perfect mechanic execution because they just couldn't beat enrage.

To me this means those dps were overreaching and venturing into content they weren't prepared for, at least not in a farm party. By all means join learning parties to better nail down mechanics and to learn the job-specific adjustments needed to improve personal dps, even clear parties would be fine in my opinion, but if you're going to try to farm something you should be able to pull your own weight.

That's the crux of this discussion - dps pulling their own weight. A DRG or god forbid a SAM doing less dps in a "farm" than I did on RDM in my first clear is simply not keeping up and they need to practice more before they try again at that level. I would venture to say that even joining a farm party when your dps is so insufficent for the content is an act of toxicity in and of it's self except there is a very real chance that SAM and DRG had absolutely no idea what they were contributing or in this case lacking.

So no, I don't think everyone having the ability to parse would generate more toxicity. If anything it would inhibit it. A PF could go up to farm Tsukuyomi requiring DPS to be over 4.5k dps in a prior clear or looking for a certain percentile in damage. At that point if a person joins one of those parties and isn't qualified to they've put themself in that situation. The difference is get get to be aware of where their own performance is and the requisite performance level of the party their joining lands - if those intersect, great! If not? Move on or make your own group. No one is blind in that situation.

The beauty of it is that if Joe Schmo makes some kind of offensive or harrassing statememt about some pug dps' contribution in a leveling dungeon the chat logs and report button still work. Parsers don't mean carte blanche on rudeness and improprieties.

Oh, dear. I will of course cease posting immediately in case the opinion of someone I don't know and have never talked to decreases further.

Thank god.