DPS who do 4k worth of damage = garbage tier

[Minako_Nightsong]

I went back tonight and did some more Tsukuyomi SSS dummy and had the following numbers. I gave each job a few attempts. I cleared the challenge on several jobs.

Bard 361 4400-4550 I am just beating the dummy so I "qualify" lol.
RDM 352 4900-5200
DRG 361 4900

I still do not know why the bard numbers are where they are. I can honestly say I have pulled off the opener consistently well and clip nothing, get in my ogcds, and maintain my dots and song transitions. I meld into crit-dh with grade 6 materia.

Point is, not all of us are lazy or doing an ice mage rotation, we are trying real hard!

[Remus]

I went back tonight and did some more Tsukuyomi SSS dummy and had the following numbers. I gave each job a few attempts. I cleared the challenge on several jobs.

Bard 361 4400-4550 I am just beating the dummy so I "qualify" lol.
RDM 352 4900-5200
DRG 361 4900

I still do not know why the bard numbers are where they are. I can honestly say I have pulled off the opener consistently well and clip nothing, get in my ogcds, and maintain my dots and song transitions. I meld into crit-dh with grade 6 materia.

Point is, not all of us are lazy or doing an ice mage rotation, we are trying real hard!

If you are trying hard and still trying to improve then people don't have any problems. The problem people have is those who choose to not learn and not improve. Honestly Bard is a pretty hard class when it comes to maximising DPS. I don't know if you know it already but I would recommend you go the Balance Discord, just search for it on Google. They have a bard channel there which you can register for and chances there they have guides on rotations and everything that you may need to know when it comes to increasing your dps as a Bard and you can ask any questions you may have.

Different bosses have different requirements when it comes to DPS. Even though you won't be doing Savage I still recommend trying out the dummy for it and see how you do against it. Also in Stone, Sky, Sea the dummy is basically altered to match your class. So the dummy you fight is tailored to Bard while a different dummy could have more HP tailored to Black Mage or Samurai.

[Irisdina_Wiloh]

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I imagine without a Drg, it can be quite hard to beat the dummies for relevant content on Bard/Mch unless you're close to/have bis since you lose so much damage from not having one. I find if I practice on Drg and don't have anyone to tether to, I also lose a fair chunk of damage and the same for Mnk, no party members so no potential procs from Brotherhood.

Remus is also right too, different dummies are catered to do the different jobs so don't think on it too hard, you're doing a fine job.

[alimdia]

I still do not know why the bard numbers are where they are. I can honestly say I have pulled off the opener consistently well and clip nothing, get in my ogcds, and maintain my dots and song transitions. I meld into crit-dh with grade 6 materia.

Bard is a special case, it's 100% impossible to get accurate numbers when bard is so proc dependent, between piercing resistance debuff and crit buffs from drg/sch your DPS can change drastically.

[MoroMurasaki]

The comment wasn't directed at anyone and could have meant anything. What you choose to read into it doesn't warrant that sort of response.

No, it isn't. But that isn't what happened.

Makes sense that you would defend someone employing the "vague rudeness" strategy.

Birds of a feather...

[Lunaxia]

Makes sense that you would defend someone employing the "vague rudeness" strategy.

Birds of a feather...

Makes sense you'd bring up a baseless remark over previous disputes because you have nothing else to offer.

Birds of a feather indeed!

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Makes sense you'd bring up a baseless remark over previous disputes because you have nothing else to offer.

Birds of a feather indeed!

Using past history to establish consistency is normal. You spent an entire thread claiming a potential epidemic yet when challenged to provide actual evidence, you balked. Sort of like the person you're now white knighting who came into a thread, made a condescending remark and whined abuse when people wanted an elaboration in lieu of vague remarks. Coincidentally, Mageblack had no such issues offering their opinion when asked. And despite mutual disagreement, the conversation remained civil—almost like elaborating when asked is a good idea so people don't assume your stance.

But you are one to enjoy assumptions, love.

[MoroMurasaki]

Makes sense you'd bring up a baseless remark over previous disputes because you have nothing else to offer.

Birds of a feather indeed!

Um, honey... you brought it up in your initial post whining about how Issac was 'griefed' out of the thread xD I just responded to you.

Do you want a mirror? My discord is in my signature, I can have one to you in 2 days with Amazon prime.

You know, so you can look in it and stop projecting.

[Nariel]

Bard is a special case, it's 100% impossible to get accurate numbers when bard is so proc dependent, between piercing resistance debuff and crit buffs from drg/sch your DPS can change drastically.

Yeah add the DRG eye link to those and the parse is not the same... Especially when your team-mate align those buff to the right moment and you transform an average burst time to an ass-ripping arrow shower.

A BRD team up with RNGesus for a living and depend heavily on his team for good damage input.

[SaitoHikari]

Bard is a special case, it's 100% impossible to get accurate numbers when bard is so proc dependent, between piercing resistance debuff and crit buffs from drg/sch your DPS can change drastically.

This. Bard is a very very special case where training dummy numbers do not really translate well at all to actual performance in raids. We are -the- most party comp dependent job in the game DPS-wise, which is mildly ironic considering we're also supposed to be the primary support DPS. And this is all because of how our proc system works and the fact that our damage type is piercing, which essentially requires a DRG in the party at minimum to bring out the really big numbers. Then consider Scholar Chain Strategem, Astrologian Spear, and all the other general damage buffs/debuffs from other jobs on top of that. Bard is pretty much all about trying to turn the RNG to your favor (from multi-dotting packs of enemies to snapshotting Iron Jaws when your buffs/debuffs on the enemy are about to fall off), and this is what lets some of the best Bards in the world keep up or even surpass top tier players of other jobs in a setting where the party comp for the Bard is the most optimized it can be, despite Bard being theoretically the lowest DPS of all the DPS jobs. It looks simple to play, but there's a lot of math and split second decisions to be made.

Every single Bard main right now will tell you that the mere presence of a Dragoon in the party these days will actually boost our own DPS by as much as 400-500. Literally 10% of our DPS in most cases. I find my opener in particular automatically loses about 2k DPS without a Dragoon in the party. The dependence among all three of the piercing jobs (DRG, BRD, and MCH) is an endless source of frustration for the latter two. It's getting to the point where many Bards I know will outright refuse to join a raid team without a Dragoon in it.