DPS who do 4k worth of damage = garbage tier

[Araxes]

This Again.... I personally hate The DPS-Meter stuff and the Bad behaviour resulting from it. I have seen it many times that people get bullied or straight insulted when they dont match the DPS the guy with the DPS-Meter expects them to Have. No, Reports dont help.

Im fine with everything as long as the Dungeon or Savage-Raid is Clearable. Done is done.

All the DPS Talk is just Virtual long-dong stretching to me.

[Ilan]

Wow...you seriously don't know how?

Yeah..I'm just gonna sit back and watch you figure that one out.

Last thing I want to do is give you guys more ammo.

*Moves on*


EDIT: OK ill give you a hint. Tanks rely on this very heavily.....at least they should.

Emnity has nothing to do with dps otherwhise WHM (most of them who overheal like sh..) and Tanks would deal the most dps. A good dps tries to avoid emnity because thats what you don't want under no circumstances.
You can see if a dps is shit if you observe him but only IF you know exactly how to play this class and if you have enough time to observer properly.

Araxes you are prejudging everyone who uses a dmg meter with your post. There are very few user of a dmg meter who will do what you claim they do. Only the morons do that and they will always find a way to behave poorly, harass and kick people.

[ViolaCrossfire]

Im fine with everything as long as the Dungeon or Savage-Raid is Clearable. Done is done.

4k is, without a doubt, a liability to your savage team. Sure, a death may bring you there. In that case fine he can do better in a no-death run. But with that damage you are piggybacking plain and simple.

Anything that is not savage or current extreme? Fine

[Exiled_Tonberry]

What are you going to say to WHMs in Neo or God Kefka? They are generally second on enmity because of the sheer power of their heals, yet dead last on DPS? By the way, Lucid doesn't help enough to lower them by much the next time Almagest or Heartless Archangel comes around.

I know this has nothing to do with anything, but WHM enmity isn't exactly because their heals are just that crazy powerful. It's just that, for whatever reason, WHM is the only healer that has all of it's heal directly effected by enmity.
ASTs Earthly Star doesn't draw enmity from it's heal, only the damage while also having built in enmity reduction from sects. SCHs enmity is split between it's fairy.

Sorry, I felt the urge to mention that. As for the rest of your post, 100% agree with it all.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You'd think SE would fix these so-called "poorly coded" fights after all these years. I guess not. So it must be working as intended.

Not when they have literally said, "we don't want to go back and fix old content." Regardless, if it was an intentional design why has it never carried over? Furthermore, Leviathan actually doesn't punish you. Unsynced, I can straight up ignore all his mechanics and live/heal through both of his Tidal Waves. Warrior and Paladin are OP. :3

Either way, forcing DPS to stop DPSing is simply poor design. This essentially means I'll reach a point in the fight where I may as well AFK and make a coffee instead of, you know, playing the game. Why would that ever be good design?

[ern815]

Have yet to pull 5K or higher on my Nin in Savage but i can openly admit i am not great as Ninja. Always been a caster for 4+ years.
I have been getting better then when i first began however.
Anyhow there could be a variety of reasons why some players have lower dps without anyone actually knowing the reason.

Well, I main a NIN too and while I start with around 5k damage, it died down pretty fast midway to a low 4k range... No exactly sure why but I guess as a utility user, our dps are slightly disadvantaged.

I believe so long as we pull a decent dmg and giving enough utility, high damage shouldn't be that much of main priority for NIN.

[Kakiko]

This entire thread is why I've mostly taken a break from Savage. O5 and O6 down but progressing beyond in PUGs proved to be anxiety-inducing. I'm not great, I'm okay-ish, sitting around (last I looked I think) 4700-5k in O6 (but only have like 2 clears of that). I have enough problems not beating myself up about not being a GREAT player, I don't need people to start targeting me and calling me "garbage" because my numbers aren't top of the pack. :-/

[KaivaC]

The funny thing is that you most certainly had no ill will when you created this thread, but on this game people are always prompt to take out the guns when talking about personal performance.

Too late to stop the fire now, just sit back and enjoy as people will get back at each other for seemingly pointless reasons x)

Nothing to enjoy, to be honest. I started a fire here -_-

Regardless, this whole argument is because of what I posted. I kinda hoped folks would stop when I admitted what I said was dumb, but here we are, now on page 12. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

To all in the thread, this was my fault for igniting this fire; I have a really bad tendency to not think things through. Before you start spamming me with messages (to be honest, I don't even know who knows my discord), I have already started the process of deleting my in-game character and all. Again, I apologize and did not mean to start a fire like this. Can everyone relax now?

[HyoMinPark]

I know this has nothing to do with anything, but WHM enmity isn't exactly because their heals are just that crazy powerful. It's just that, for whatever reason, WHM is the only healer that has all of it's heal directly effected by enmity.
ASTs Earthly Star doesn't draw enmity from it's heal, only the damage while also having built in enmity reduction from sects. SCHs enmity is split between it's fairy.

Sorry, I felt the urge to mention that. As for the rest of your post, 100% agree with it all.

With regards to AST, maybe that is probably because the Earthly Star is counted like the SCH’s fairy is? If you’ve ever looked on FFLogs, they count Earthly Star as a “pet”, so its enmity being a non-issue could have something to do with that, maybe? That being said, ASTs did have enmity issues before the enmity queller was built into their sects. Just some idle thoughts on your response to me; nothing to start an argument over. My comment regarding WHM enmity was more so a response to the sheer ridiculousness of using the enmity bar as a measure of one’s personal damage, but you know that. X3

WHMs could use some form of natural enmity queller. I know I was talking with a friend about it, and they thought it would be a nice thing to put as an aside to Plenary Indulgence—reduce enmity upon usage, maybe the amount reduced can vary between 1 Confession stack and 3 stacks. Would certainly add another layer of flavor to the ability, and give WHMs something they could desperately use.

Before you start spamming me with messages (to be honest, I don't even know who knows my discord), I have already started the process of deleting my in-game character and all.

Are you even for real right now? You get into an argument in Discord and now you’re deleting your character? I’m not trying to be rude, but you should honestly take a couple steps back right now and think before you act, Kaiva.

As for the debate at hand, you opened the doors to it. You need to deal with the way it evolves, especially since there was a very vague opening post before your edit (which I still don’t find all that efficient, if you recall our conversation a couple hours ago), and especially since it deals with the concept of DPS—something that is always a hot topic on these forums. I’m sorry, but people are under no obligation to stop discussions when you opened the floodgates for it. The conversation will naturally die down of its own accord anyways.

[Minako_Nightsong]

On the SSS dummy today I did avg 4300 as 361 BRD, 5200 as 352 RDM, 5300 as 352 BLM, and 4200 as 350 Nin. I also did 3850 as War and 3600 WHM. I am Melded and I was not using pots or food.

So I guess I will be in the garbage tier but it only gets worse. In actual raiding, I am sure I do less because I have a hard time keeping up my rotations while fighting Extreme bosses. I need to look at my hotbar to see my combos and cooldowns/procs and when mechanics get heavy I end up looking at the floor and monster cast bar instead.

I don't really get to watch the fight much while I am doing all this and I am jealous of people who can. However, I suspect there are a lot of people like me. We do research our rotations and openers and we do not cast ice all the time as BLM or skip playing songs as BRD. Some of us just struggle to watch an entire screen of actions and our proc/cooldown/combos at the same time. In my case, I also never learned how to play using wasd to move so I use my mouse and I don't know if that hurts me or not.

I think hotkeys are also hurting my scores. I use f1-f4, 1-6, q-t, a-g, and v (q and e are my strafes and w is forward) Anything past 4,r, and f is awkward for me and shift+ is difficult and uncomfortable but I find them necessary to use because of all the buttons we use.

We are trying our best!