Stop spamming Medica I & II/diurnal Aspected Helios

[RiyahArp]

Outside of egregious cases where a healer is doing absolutely zero DPS and is overhealing like crazy, and outside of Savage content where you need the best MP conservation, and you need every spell to count, I have to ask this:

Is this worth arguing over?

No, not really.

I think people forget that Savage is a very, very tiny part of this game and that the rest of the game usually doesn't have the need for healing efficiency or dpsing on that level. I get annoyed at how much raiders in a tiny portion of this games content seem to obsess over how others do in stuff that really won't see marked gains in efficiency if you min max. At some point you have to just chill unless they are causing wipes, and that's almost always mechanics failure over overhealing or not dpsing as a healer.

[Bhearil]

Even if its only needed on Ex trials/Savage, not trying to improve create really bad habits that can come to bite you in the rear when you less expect it.

You dont need to be polite with someone who just met on the bus, but if you are an ass maybe you might end losing some teeth for messing with the wrong guy

[Sigma-Astra]

No, not really.

I think people forget that Savage is a very, very tiny part of this game and that the rest of the game usually doesn't have the need for healing efficiency or dpsing on that level. I get annoyed at how much raiders in a tiny portion of this games content seem to obsess over how others do in stuff that really won't see marked gains in efficiency if you min max. At some point you have to just chill unless they are causing wipes, and that's almost always mechanics failure over overhealing or not dpsing as a healer.

This has nothing to do with Savage though, it's just being more efficient as a healer from people who main the job consistently. As a healer, you shouldn't be overhealing in normal content either because you're setting yourself up for bad habits. There's not even a reason to be overhealing in dungeons either since placing a few well-timed HoTs will do most of the work for you on trash pulls.

Also, if there's nothing to heal, why wouldn't you want to use an Aero III or an offensive spell as a healer? I mean, it can't exactly be enthralling to stand there holding your stick and waiting for something to heal for a good five minutes instead of just simply trying to DPS a little. >_>;

[TaleraRistain]

I just skimmed this thread so I probably missed a lot of conversation.

- Totally agree on spamming. Don't do it. It just eats your MP
- Early Medica II can be useful in trials if you want to get some healing on the dps who like to go out into Narnia and take AoEs to the face. Less useful if everyone stays together
- I would agree whm has reactive abilities, but if we want to be successful with dpsing, we need to use our regens proactively. By this I mean applying them and letting them work for us to create the window of opportunity for dps.

[HyoMinPark]

You are speaking in term of when 0 heal is needed because we waiting on mechanic & I speak about all the other time, you are purposely making me look bad with your comment when truthfully if theres a longer timer than my 30sec aspected helios where ppl wont get hurt I wont apply it even tho I'm full mp & tbh yes I might near the end so when battle restart we all have it already & I'm ready to nuke.

I don't need to "purposely make you look bad"; you do that all on your own. You're the one talking about going Double Diurnal, how Double Diurnal is better, how people have to be 100% HP 100% of the time, how there is nothing wrong with overhealing over Regen ticks. Do I need to quote where you said all this again?

You claim you know better Hyo but your comments tell me you dont, while I dont do savages often, with a few attempts I would be willing to put my hand in a gob campfire to display that theres a possibility that I end up getting the mechanics better than you do so dont tell me you are better because that might be proven false

I doubt it.

Do not call me super ego please?

Don't act like one?

Maeka claims also stand true,

No, they don't. It's been proven time and time again how significant healer DPS is. I suggest you go back and read the old threads about it, or look up the data on FFLogs. It's all there, plain as day, for everyone to see.

You typing like you are the bible because of salvage fights,if anything I return your comment, feels to me that you are the one trying to spread nocturnl is greater all over.I am simply giving a different PoV that most disagree with, but I'm used to that, I got years of ppl bashing into me while in the end, I succeed where ppl claimed I was wrong~

Sure you do. You would never clear content that is even remotely hard with the way you heal and treat your co-healers.

If you are so good, I will patiently await your God Kefka clear on AST. Or even just a single Savage clear. If you're so much better than the rest of us, you should be able to clear it no problem.

I'm saying what I'm saying because I know how to heal. You clearly have misconceptions on how to heal since you think stacking Diurnal sects is fine, or healing over regens is also fine.

[RiyahArp]

This has nothing to do with Savage though, it's just being more efficient as a healer from people who main the job consistently.

You don't need to be super-efficient. If the player is substituting one GCD of aspected helios for one of a malefic every 30 seconds, its not going to make you wipe nor is the loss of dps going to hurt you when you run swallow's compass. Like if this were ffxi, you don't want to overheal because tank enmity can be incredibly loose, and you don't have the mp regen you do here. If its a 2 hour grind in a party per level, yeah efficient healer dps helps a lot. But we're talking a game in which you do one run of casual content in 20 minutes, and the hardest casual content may take 45 min tops. But people really gripe over others as if we are in ffxi and they just caused them to downlevel.

I mean I had someone bitching about a healer not dpsing in Syrcus Tower, which took all of fifteen minutes to complete with virtually no risk. If it's ex and savage, that's fine, you want to prep someone for that level of play go nuts. But just don't worry so much about casual content you do a couple times a week and blow through easily if there isn't efficiency in it, because its not savage. treat it as stuff you do to relax, experiment with new jobs, etc. Don't treat it like you are gunning for top parse on Void Ark on fflogs.

[Sigma-Astra]

You don't need to be super-efficient.

No, you don't need to be, but it doesn't hurt to improve oneself and do more than the bare minimum. Perhaps, that's what you enjoy doing, only giving the bare minimum, and if that works for you? Great. But, you shouldn't preach that it's the only way to play either. There is nothing wrong, absolutely nothing wrong, with taking constructive advice and criticism and people wanting to improve past the basic effort needed.

Just because it's casual content, it shouldn't matter? Who doesn't want to get better or play better at a game they love and enjoy? It's not fundamentally hurting you or anyone else if you try to heal more efficiently, DPS more efficiently, tank more efficiently. Not only are you helping out the entire party, but you're helping yourself improve. I don't see why you frown upon this so much Riyah. Maybe you don't want to keep trying on improving yourself, but don't block or ridicule other people for wanting to do so.

People can still relax as they improve themselves, hell, it may even make them feel better or surprise themselves sometimes. Your way is not the only way to play casual content either.

[Maeka]

RE: "DPS does more than 4K!"



Then that means that the healer's contribution is EVEN SMALLER! Thank you for proving my point that I made with the napkin math post.

"You don't parse so you don't get to talk about it."

I can, however, do easy napkin math and apply common sense and round figures. I don't need to see parses to know that if a healer does 2k DPS and an actual DPS does 4-6k DPS, that the healer doing 0 DPS is going to add 15-30 seconds onto the total time it takes to kill a 10 minute boss.

15-30 seconds. Wow. whoop-dee-doo.

The better the DPS are, the less the healer's contribution is going to matter. Now, in Savage Raiding, yeah you need to squeeze out every DPS and you need to squeeze out every single second, because each second means that someone critical could make a major mistake and wipe the whole raid or what not...

But we're not talking about Savage Raiding. We're talking about Duty Finder.

Nothing in Duty Finder is that difficult where 2k DPS is even going to get anywhere near wipe-or-win.

"You Focused on the DPS!"

Because quite simply, you resorted to "But, but, mah healer DPS!!!!"

Obviously I focused on the DPS, because DPS was the #1 reason you were throwing about why overhealing is bad. "If they're overhealing, they're doing less DPS". That's what you said, right? Part of what you said, that is.

Now, I agreed with you about MP and MP Consumption. If a healer is running themselves low on MP by spamming too many heals, yes, that's a bad thing. Obviously. I note you didn't quote/reply to the part where I said THAT, though. Of course you didn't. Because we agree there.

I was replying to the part of your post(s) where I did not agree that it was an issue, and that is the whole DPS aspect.

And obviously, before you misconstrue something I say, I am NOT saying healers shouldn't DPS. They should, when they have the time and MP to do so. Obviously.

However, the lack of healer DPS is not a wipe-or-win for anything on DF and if it is.... you have bigger problems than healer DPS. Tell your actual DPS to stop standing in junk and dying, for starters.

[RiyahArp]

Well, I frown upon it mostly because I think people go a bit too much into efficiency, and they do get annoyed and mad at other players when the efficiency loss isn't actually hurting them. Its about how other people are a burden or injure them if they aren't as efficient as the player likes, and people in this game need to chill a bit in casual content.

If there were a danger of the opposite, where people were too chill that we couldnt get any content done, thats one thing, but gamers really have a bad tendency to go the opposite way and use skill/efficiency as a tool to beat others up. It does get old, especially when most of this content is more about doing mechanics correctly to achieve success. Especially on forums, theres this "professional" mindset that treats people playing like this that they are working a job and are hindrances if they aren't good at it.

[KDSilver]

Why do you feel like you need to keep everyone topped off? Just a curious question.

Prevention,prevention & prevention.

Guess what, that's curiously what shielder healer are made for