Stop spamming Medica I & II/diurnal Aspected Helios

[Awha]

What the OP is saying is not what you think he is saying.

What is the OP trying to say since based off of his posts within this thread I think you might be the one who misunderstood the OP.

[HyoMinPark]

even then if the tank's hp has dropped to 85% after casting a damage dealing spell, the healer should be using cure 1 to ensure hp stays above the margin of error threshold.

Uhm, wut. This is not a thing. It never has been.

You know what the much larger problem is during dungeons, raids, etc? the healers get far too concerned about what other people think and so foolishly prioritize dps, because "Veterans" want to try and make these misinformed statements about what a healer should and should not be doing.

Clearly you made this post to troll!

The irony.

OP is saying to not SPAM your AOE heals when no one is taking damage, or when only a single target is taking damage. That is a waste of healing and a waste of MP. Any heal that is an overheal is a waste. If you have 60% overheal, that is 60% of your healing that is nothing but a waste—a waste of MP, a waste of GCDs. A WHM should not heal a single target with Medica or Medica II. Neither should a Diurnal AST be using Aspected Helios to heal a single target.

[Miste]

You are trying to tell people how to use their class when obviously you have yet to understand how to maximize the capacity of said class.
Please be better informed the next time you post ragging on healers.
Clearly you made this post to troll!

Please read the opening post thoroughly the next time you decide to post because your aim ended up so inaccurate that you not only missed the target point but also ended up hitting yourself in the face instead.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

furthermore, a healer should ONLY be dealing damage when the tank is taking less than 25% of their hp every 7 seconds, and even then if the tank's hp has dropped to 85% after casting a damage dealing spell, the healer should be using cure 1 to ensure hp stays above the margin of error threshold. You know what the much larger problem is during dungeons, raids, etc? the healers get far too concerned about what other people think and so foolishly prioritize dps, because "Veterans" want to try and make these misinformed statements about what a healer should and should not be doing.

The white elephant is in the name: HEALER. NOT.THAT.HARD. HEAL when you are healer class. DPS when you are DPS class. Yet here you are practically implying it should be the opposite :') Clearly you made this post to troll!

... no. Just... no.

Keeping the tank at 85% or above is utterly pointless. This severely gimps healer DPS, which is massive in this game. So long as the tank can survive, you can let their HP drop like a stone and heal them up easily. What point is there for me toss Cure I when Regen is more than enough to keep them alive? Essentially Dignity is designed to take advantage of a tank's HP dropping low. Likewise, Benediction is an absolute waste if the tank's sitting at 60k.

Not in this game. Healers do monstrously high DPS. Assuming a competent party, they'll contribute 5,000+ DPS between them. Why throw that away when almost nothing requires constant healing? The only thing made clear is you have little idea how to actually play healers in FFXIV.

[RiyahArp]

DPS to the level where you feel you can react to incoming damage safely. That depends on your reaction time, connection, familiarity with the job, and the kind of content you are doing. There's no real set in stone rule; some players may be nervous and have to dps slowly under they are familiar through repetition, some have great reaction times and game sense and can deal with very low percentage health on the tank. But for all the talk of healer DPS, one wipe because you overemphasize it will tend to remove a lot of the gains in time you have by doing it.

I mean, healer DPS in general is mostly vital in ex and savage due to enrage timers on the boss. In casual content, you don't need to obsess over healer dps, you just learn to do it as much as you are able to at your skill level.

[Ruf]

Due to the frequent misunderstandings and selective reading/interpretation, I’ve rewritten my post to make what I'm trying to say (hopefully)clearer. If people still don't understand, then... Well, then it'd be on deaf ears, lol. I've said my piece, I'm not going to beat the topic dead. I appreciate those who did understand and tried to help clarify my message with others. Thank you. You're beautiful. Stay awesome.
Disclaimer for myself from the previous edition: I am still going to get a lot of hate for this thread, pfft.


Message: stop spamming your heals when no one is hurting (100% HP) in dungeons; use them strategically. Don’t be a mindless healer.
Spamming definition (in case you're confused): (lowercase) Digital Technology. to execute (an action) or use (an item) rapidly or repeatedly in a video game. [Dictionary Source]

Clarity: this doesn’t mean stop healing all together or stop using medica I & II & diurnal aspected helios all together, that is not what I’m saying. If you have a strategy and know when you should use your spells – like when a party-wide move strikes (among other examples) – then this plea clearly doesn’t apply to you.

Exclusions: I’m excluding fates, raids, trials, and anything you are new to. It’s a learning process. We all gotta learn. I’m also excluding new players because they’re still learning. I find it more unacceptable for a veteran healer to have such a “SLOPPEH” “style.”

In depth: Healing is your job. You have these spells/skills for a reason, use them but use them appropriately/wisely and adapt to different situations. Some dungeons (and some tanks/parties) will require you to heal a lot more, whereas as some other dungeons (and some other tanks/parties) will require virtually no healing. Spamming heals with absolutely no method or consideration to mechanics and/or the party list (when HP across the board is 100% and will continue to be 100% because there are no hard-hitting mechs, et cetera) is a waste of your MP and shows bad MP management, and also generates unnecessary aggro for unclaimed mobs. Using cooldowns like largesse (?) and proceeding to use an aoe heal when everyone is at 100% HP is a waste of not only MP, but of your cooldown. What if you desperately need that CD action in the next pull? Well, you’re SOL because you wasted it when you didn’t even need to heal.

Quick and unwholesome advice(?): You should almost never use regens before or after battle lest unclaimed mobs go for you and give your tank the extra challenge of fighting you for aggro. (If their HP is dwindling quickly then you obviously have no choice regardless if there are unclaimed mobs because you guys will likely make anyway.) The occasional slip-up happens, so don’t worry about that. I'm talking INCESSANT, MINDLESS SPAM. My advice is to learn the dungeons, learn certain moves. White Mage and Astrologian: Diurnal Sect are reactive healers, but you can use their regens effectively as preventive (though try to get it so you heal the second party-wide damage hits to help your MP as you’ll likely need to keep healing until everyone’s up and at’em. If you need to use a regen aoe first, try to follow up with non-regen aoe as I think (I could be wrong) those cost less MP. And you know, just…learn what works for you while learning mechs. It’s painfully obvious when a seasoned player is just spamming willy nilly in an easy, no-damage dealt dungeon without any thought. Don’t be that healer, be amazing. If you don’t need to heal, pick up the slack by DPSing – but make sure you prioritise your job as a healer. (Don’t be the healer who doesn’t heal, either! Balance, balance, balance. Not too much, not too little. Think Goldilocks.) If you don’t need to use aoe heals, don’t use them. If it’s only your tank taking damage, heal only your tank. It will save you on MP, and maybe let you slip in some DPS depending upon the circumstances help make the dungeon go faster. IF YOU NEED TO REST FOR MP, REST.

Extra: I am by no means a perfect gamer, or a perfect healer so I am not getting high and mighty. I’m saying this because I’ve been there, I’ve done it, and I’ve learnt otherwise. I’ve also had friends who were terrible healers. Some people think it’s trolling, but really… sometimes it’s just unwillingness to learn and adapt and improve their worth as more than just a spam healer. To me, it just looks like they’re trying to make it look like they’re doing something, working hard, et cetera, when we’re really… they’re not doing much.

Recently had a healer who spammed Medica I&II when no one was being damaged. They even used largesse (or whatever that healing boost is) when no one was taking damage and then spamming an aoe heal. Why? It was so frequent and so uncalculated they seemed like a bot, but they responded when questioned. So yeah, just... relax on them buttons. Focus. If you don't need to heal, help DPS (added clarity: if you need to rest for MP, rest). If this is your "style," then maybe you're playing the wrong healing class for you.

There is nothing like overhealing if you have no mp issue at all, astrologian can get a gigantic amount of mp replenishing with ewer & Lucid dreaming, + lets not forget medicines, sure it might be harder for whm on the mp pool but as long as you control your mp, you can spam all you want I even will claim that I think its best to not let regens wear off "if you are able to handle it "which a lot of players apparently do not". IE: odin x2 bleeding, maintaining regen is the best.

[Usho]

There is nothing like overhealing if you have no mp issue at all, astrologian can get a gigantic amount of mp replenishing with ewer & Lucid dreaming, + lets not forget medicines, sure it might be harder for whm on the mp pool but as long as you control your mp, you can spam all you want I even will claim that I think its best to not let regens wear off "if you are able to handle it "which a lot of players apparently do not". IEdin x2 bleeding, maintaining regen is the best.

Only piss poor WHM's allow their mp to drop a lot, unless it is for that sweet, sweet Holy Spam (and even then Thin Air + Presence of Mind makes you a dps machine). WHM shouldn't have any MP issues. You have assize, lucid dreaming, ethers (just in case) and THIN AIR. If you are a WHM and you have mp management issues then maybe you need to revisit Hall of the Novice. -_-




Ninja Edit: Tip your caster dps who gave you that Mana Shift, even if you didn't need it. I <3 casters who mana shift me on my healers.





/25 cents

[MOZZYSTAR]

Except if people aren't taking damage, or only the tank is taking damage, Medica II or Diurnal Aspected Helios are useless, and a waste of MP. If damage can be healed with just Medica/Cure III or Helios, there is no reason to throw HoTs on top of that. Why nearly double your MP usage for a spell that goes largely to waste?

This ^

And the more proper use, in my opinion, would be to time it to hit as the damage does, not casting it pre-pull or when the only outgoing damage is on the tank. Timing it means you mitigate the brunt of the damage with the initial burst heal, and the let the HoTs top off the rest so that the majority of your ticks aren't wasted.
Which is what the OP is advocating; he said don't spam it, don't use it as a substitute for another spell that could heal the damage easily for less MP, or for a single-target. He didn't say don't ever use it.

And this ^ and basically everything HyoMin has been saying. (Thank you for trying to clarify things for me. I appreciate it. Nice to see you're a fellow Cactuar, too!)
I edited my post earlier as someone quoted (I couldn't post again here cuz I ran out of posting slots, I guess), I updated the first post to hopefully try and mitigate confusion/misunderstandings. I'm not saying don't ever use these abilities, I'm saying don't spam them. There's a distinct difference between "stop spamming" and "don't use it all together." This doesn't mean stop healing and I have no idea how people are getting confused over the word "spam" (not to be patronising, but I'm really at a loss). Balance is necessary. Be strategical and thoughtful with how you use your spells. It's obvious when they're being thrown out with absolutely no thought or consideration to the mechs & party, et cetera et cetera.

See now I don't really like this, yes we generally have this unwritten rule that healers should always be casting,

I don't always cast as a healer whether it's healing or DPSing. If my MP is dwindling badly and I don't need to heal for that second and I can't afford to DPS, I stop. I rest. I replenish. Nowhere (original post or not) did I ever say that healers had to keep casting. I simply gave an alternative to prevent overhealing. If you don't need to heal and you have plenty MP, then help out the DPS check.

I think its best to not let regens wear off "if you are able to handle it "which a lot of players apparently do not". IE: odin x2 bleeding, maintaining regen is the best.

You completely missed the entire point of my post. xD

Edit:

HEAL when you are healer class. DPS when you are DPS class. Yet here you are practically implying it should be the opposite :') Clearly you made this post to troll!

Do you even... know how healers work in FFXIV? Do you know how anything works in FFXIV? I'm really concerned... You also missed the entire point of my post. Next time, please read carefully rather than assume.

You don't pay my sub dude.

I'm a lady, but I do heal your ass. ;3 N'ah, I'm kidding. (Well, I'm not kidding about being a lady but we might not ever meet in the game. xD)

DPS to the level where you feel you can react to incoming damage safely. healer DPS in general is mostly vital in ex and savage due to enrage timers on the boss.

Yeah, it definitely takes time with a variety of things to get comfortable juggling. I rarely DPS the first time I enter a dungeon because I just don't know. There is no shame in familiarising oneself. The more confidence you get, the more you can do. (Hopefully without sacrificing your main priority.) Though I will say that helping enemies off with the DPS can be considered as another way to prevent further damage so even in easier content, it's not moot. What's moot is healing when you don't need to heal at all (especially with the aoes xD).

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Only piss poor WHM's allow their mp to drop a lot, unless it is for that sweet, sweet Holy Spam (and even then Thin Air + Presence of Mind makes you a dps machine). WHM shouldn't have any MP issues. You have assize, lucid dreaming, ethers (just in case) and THIN AIR. If you are a WHM and you have mp management issues then maybe you need to revisit Hall of the Novice. -_-




Ninja Edit: Tip your caster dps who gave you that Mana Shift, even if you didn't need it. I <3 casters who mana shift me on my healers.





/25 cents

You sound like someone who believes the people who parrot that WHM has infinite MP.
Believe it or not, between DPSing, mistakes happening and extra healing at times, WHM can run dry.

[CrystalRainbow]

Don't worry about it and just let people play.