Stop spamming Medica I & II/diurnal Aspected Helios

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I would like to note an exception to this. Some ex trials/Savage has aoe damage almost immediately on pull, so precasting regens is actually beneficial overall.
In dungeons, there's really no reason to precast regens, but don't be too surprised if you see this in some ex trials.

[Hamada]

Generally agree.

That said, I don't like how the enmity system reacts to PC target effects in FFXIV. In my view, unclaimed monsters should not in any way react to effects targeted at PCs (I believe this is how enmity functioned in FFXI, too, though I may be mis-remembering). This would have a host of advantages from a QoL standpoint: healers could meaningfully assist tanks who pull above their weight class or try to mass pull over too long a distance; Chocobo companions wouldn't get slaughtered in add-heavy situations when their cures gain enmity on unclaimed monsters; all Healers would have meaningful pre-engagement buffs, and would be able to use their full complement of spells for the entire duration of a fight, rather than having to hold off for the last few seconds or so on trash packs. And, of course, newer Healers wouldn't have to learn the hard way to avoid HoT (typically viewed as pseudo-buff spells) during downtime.

FFXI is indeed different. in FFXI you only genterated emitiy to the AMOUNT you healed, (as in cure II for 30 hp is same hate as cure I for 30 hp, it did not reconize overhealing) though there are some heal spells that do generate different amounts, most notable is cure V, cure V was a supressed heal compared to the others. Also in ffxi if you simply aggroed a monster (ffxiv slag does not make a distinction of this, but do note there was a difference on ffxi when someone said you are pulling arrgo and pulling hate) anyways, if you simply aggroed a monster as in make no action on it, you could heal the person all day and not draw hate, on the other hand resting and drawging arrgo that way put you on the hate list and a healer would draw hate from that apporch
So because of this it was really confusing to me why people would yell at me for the regen thing when i was new, since in ffxi worked way different in reards to this subject, not only that but regen there did not give hate per tic, if you casted regen before a pull, you would never get hate from it. casting in midbattle was the same hate as any buff i belive, but you didn't gain hate per tic

[NephthysVasudan]

And the more proper use, in my opinion, would be to time it to hit as the damage does, not casting it pre-pull or when the only outgoing damage is on the tank. Timing it means you mitigate the brunt of the damage with the initial burst heal, and the let the HoTs top off the rest so that the majority of your ticks aren't wasted.



Which is what the OP is advocating; he said don't spam it, don't use it as a substitute for another spell that could heal the damage easily for less MP, or for a single-target. He didn't say don't ever use it.

What the OP is saying is not what you think he is saying.

[HyoMinPark]

What the OP is saying is not what you think he is saying.

Thread title: Stop spamming Medica I&II/Diurnal Aspected Helios.

Opening Post:

WHM/diurnal sect are reactive healing, whereas SCH and noct. are more preventive. So, SCH & noct. casting barriers before/during a battle is good. They're preventing damage. WHM and diur. are regens, they don't prevent damage so it's just a waste for these healing ticks to add up when there's no damage.

Recently had a healer who spammed Medica I&II when no one was being damaged. They even used largesse (or whatever that healing boost is) when no one was taking damage and then spaming an aoe heal. Why? It was so frequent and so uncalculated they seemed like a bot, but they responded when questioned. So yeah, just... relax on them buttons. Focus. If you don't need to heal, help DPS. If this is your "style," then maybe you're playing the wrong healing class for you.

let the HoTs top off the rest so that the majority of your ticks aren't wasted.

Which is what the OP is advocating; he said don't spam it, don't use it as a substitute for another spell that could heal the damage easily for less MP, or for a single-target. He didn't say don't ever use it.

I mean, seems like that’s what he’s saying to me.

[Kurando]

If you don't need to heal, help DPS. If this is your "style," then maybe you're playing the wrong healing class for you.

See now I don't really like this, yes we generally have this unwritten rule that healers should always be casting, but if a player only wants to heal then who we to deny them of playing that role? It's nice when a healer does participate in everything and uses their skills appropriately, though to be honest if they are willing to learn from advise that's fine, if they don't then really not much we can do if it's through the Duty Finder. If the content gets cleared, I'd have no reason to kick them or anything unless they were a serious liability, but even then that's extremely rare. In the end it's still a playstyle, even if we don't agree with it.

[Lunaxia]

See now I don't really like this, yes we generally have this unwritten rule that healers should always be casting, but if a player only wants to heal then who we to deny them of playing that role?

Here we go...

[Mazoryu_Hageshi]

So first I would like to state, during areas with high mob density and/or high damage mobs, a WHM at the very least should ALWAYS be ensuring their HoT's (Heal over time) effects are active, as this is central to maximizing the abilities of your class. What you are asking is that people not ensure they are maintaining a high healing output? A healer's job first and foremost is ensuring that they are maximizing their recovery output while simultaneously refraining from pulling aggro away from the tank. common sense. However, that's not what you are asking here. You are trying to tell people how to use their class when obviously you have yet to understand how to maximize the capacity of said class. Please be better informed the next time you post ragging on healers.

[Mazoryu_Hageshi]

furthermore, a healer should ONLY be dealing damage when the tank is taking less than 25% of their hp every 7 seconds, and even then if the tank's hp has dropped to 85% after casting a damage dealing spell, the healer should be using cure 1 to ensure hp stays above the margin of error threshold. You know what the much larger problem is during dungeons, raids, etc? the healers get far too concerned about what other people think and so foolishly prioritize dps, because "Veterans" want to try and make these misinformed statements about what a healer should and should not be doing.

The white elephant is in the name: HEALER. NOT.THAT.HARD. HEAL when you are healer class. DPS when you are DPS class. Yet here you are practically implying it should be the opposite :') Clearly you made this post to troll!

[Mazoryu_Hageshi]

The only exception being to maintain aero on significant targets, and any other dot's you may have. If you're casting stone or others more than you are healing, you either have a juggernaut for a tank (not a bad thing mind) or you're playing your class absolutely wrong

[Usho]

stop spamming your heals

You don't pay my sub dude.