Stop spamming Medica I & II/diurnal Aspected Helios

[HyoMinPark]

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Except if people aren't taking damage, or only the tank is taking damage, Medica II or Diurnal Aspected Helios are useless, and a waste of MP. If damage can be healed with just Medica/Cure III or Helios, there is no reason to throw HoTs on top of that. Why nearly double your MP usage for a spell that goes largely to waste?

[Averax]

Two dps are at 99% health, better medica 2.

I only use it every 30 seconds to keep the buff rolling.

[NephthysVasudan]

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This pretty much...course I don't like the waiting till 50%...but then I've only seen that on Scholars...who are usually very experienced.

[NephthysVasudan]

Except if people aren't taking damage, or only the tank is taking damage, Medica II or Diurnal Aspected Helios are useless, and a waste of MP. If damage can be healed with just Medica/Cure III or Helios, there is no reason to throw HoTs on top of that. Why nearly double your MP usage for a spell that goes largely to waste?

Medica II is a great preventive in terms of party wise regen when used correctly.
Something people forget all to often. Obviously spamming it isn't going to help anyone.
But Id rather be overhealed...than not at all.

[HyoMinPark]

Medica II is a great preventive in terms of party wise regen when used correctly.

And the more proper use, in my opinion, would be to time it to hit as the damage does, not casting it pre-pull or when the only outgoing damage is on the tank. Timing it means you mitigate the brunt of the damage with the initial burst heal, and the let the HoTs top off the rest so that the majority of your ticks aren't wasted.

Obviously spamming it isn't going to help anyone.

Which is what the OP is advocating; he said don't spam it, don't use it as a substitute for another spell that could heal the damage easily for less MP, or for a single-target. He didn't say don't ever use it.

[Gemina]

Medica II is a great preventive in terms of party wise regen when used correctly.
Something people forget all to often. Obviously spamming it isn't going to help anyone.
But Id rather be overhealed...than not at all.

There is definitely nothing wrong with casting Medica 2 after the tank has fully established agro. Over healing via regen ticks is not as detrimental as over healing via gcd usage. On a single target like a boss, agro will not be an issue. However, if adds show up, or mobs join the fray during a trash pull that the tank didn't pick up, they will beeline you. So keep in mind that Medica 2 can work both for and against you in this situation.

The bigger issue I have with Medica 2, and why I don't use it that much is because of its long cast time. It takes away your mobility, and healers are often targeted with scripted mechanics the tank can't do anything about. Combined with swiftcast, it is almost Godly and a viable use of it. Otherwise, Medica 2 is a VERY proactive spell, and its optimization requires knowing the fight in and out. WHM's have much better skills at their disposal in response to heavy damage.

[Lunaxia]

I've yet to see a non-trolling healer use Medica 2 pre pull, and pre pull regen

It's bad enough I don't see white mages ever using Medica II (Never mind Esuna)

I've had the opposite experience, I'd say 70%~ of the time there's a WHM in my party, they regen between pulls and pointlessly put up Medica II before boss fights. It's more common with "newer" healers, but I see it even among Savage players. I might be more aware of it since it's one of my pet peeves, though.

Then there are the people who react to any incoming damage - be it ST, stack, tankbuster or even a DoT - with Medica II. It's like it's the only button on their keyboard. I'm not even sure they know Cure III actually exists. (This is especially common in 24-man raids.)

Recently had a healer who spammed Medica I&II when no one was being damaged. They even used largesse (or whatever that healing boost is) when no one was taking damage and then spaming an aoe heal.

There are situations where putting up regens in advance during a fight can actually be helpful though, e.g. heavy raid-wide in coming damage, or mechanics that cause the party to spread out of healing range.

[RiyahArp]

Then there are the people who react to any incoming damage - be it ST, stack, tankbuster or even a DoT - with Medica II. It's like it's the only button on their keyboard. I'm not even sure they know Cure III actually exists. (This is especially common in 24-man raids.)

Cure 3 is kind of eh now. Its higher mp cost for much higher frontloaded potency, but the 6 yalm radius means its only good for stacking. And now you get a bonus free heal whenever you aoe heal through plenary indulgence. WHM also has assize on a very short cooldown, so as an ability its sort of directionless now.

You also have the issue where bosses simply don't damage that much, so medica 2's hot usually is enough to get people to full. C3 is useful for things like ahk morn, but its much more niche than it should be for WHM

[Alaray]

Medica II is a great preventive in terms of party wise regen when used correctly.
Something people forget all to often. Obviously spamming it isn't going to help anyone.
But Id rather be overhealed...than not at all.

I'd rather be working alongside someone who would be more aware of when to use what tool in their kit, while understanding that they should work to minimize overall stress on others in the group (ie: threat generation/MP management/Assisting with damage output).

I've had healers in Savage and EX just spam Medica II and heal unnecessarily. And also stand still, only, spamming various medica abilities and standing around doing nothing when not casting those two spells.

The group still dies to damage.

Sixty percent overheal is sixty percent of healing that did absolutely nothing worthwhile.

My point being: If you're getting healed too much, you may as well not be getting healed at all.

[Lunaxia]

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Well, you're implying they actually use Assize/ PI in these scenarios.

C3 can be very useful for stacking mechanics in raids, especially with the heavy damage that usually occurs from half the raid not bothering, but most of the time they'll use 2 or 3 back-to-back Medicas instead and double the mana cost. Raid bosses in particular can deal a lot of damage, particularly when it's new content.