And so it begins again

[Lunaxia]

I never said you had to meet my specifications.

You should make threads about real WHM issues to help the job, instead of this exaggeration which just wasted time... or simply switch jobs if you don't like how it plays.

This is a real issue to me. It doesn't have to meet your criteria for being a valid concern. It doesn't have to be set out in a way that pleases you. You're at liberty to disagree with it.

manip.

You can post what you like. No one said otherwise.

You actively go out of your way to get me to reply to you, so there are some odd mixed messages here.

Feel that way if you wish to.

I don't think for a minute that your problems towards me are entirely behind your disagreement. But if you're going to pretend there's no grudge I'm just going to lol.

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The apology didn't mean much to me in the context of your post, unfortunately. I was merely being honest. You came in here holding a grudge, accused me of lying and "spreading nonsense", demanded evidence from me I didn't have to give you - and at that point, didn't particularly want to - used it to say I'm making everything up, claimed I personally attacked you, continue to keep this going for what I can only assume is your own ego when I've said I have nothing for you, attempt to tell me how I should post to be acceptable to you, go on to assume your opinion of me has any relevance here or to me, and rather manipulatively twist your own upset onto me. I don't "sugarcoat" either, and I don't think much of you for it. Just pity.

My comment on your self-importance has nothing to do with our disagreement, and I think you know that. You think too highly of yourself and the value of your opinion, and use it as a tool in your arguments against other people, much like you are now.

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I don't. I made this venting frustration the other night. I defended myself when I was accused of making everything up. "I think you're wrong about this" and "you're lying/ trolling" are two very different things. It's mostly been the latter.

"Mocked an AST buff", it was a poor joke referencing the AST situation from HW and WHM being regularly ignored by buffs, please calm down.

[Beelhi]

This is a real issue to me. It doesn't have to meet your criteria for being a valid concern.

I saw a few BLM's that never did any aoe rotation on 5-6+ mobs so I'm seriously worried about how a large group of BLM's play <---- see how rediciulous that sounds?

You came in here holding a grudge, accused me of lying and "spreading nonsense", demanded evidence from me I didn't have to give you

You know, USUALLY when people claim things, they need to back things up with evidence because if you're not, whilst others are providing evidence that you are wrong, it will lead to a thread calling you an overreacting liar. A few people that demand AST/SCH combo is not the end of WHM. And as alot of us have shown you, most parties already have WHM or don't care about what healer they get.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

What I don't understand is why you keep going at it, even though everyone who ever posted in this thread has proved you wrong and just bringing up PF at this very moment will show you that no WHMs are being locked out of anything. Even farm parties which is where AST shines the most are allowing WHMs so....what are you doing?

It's almost like you're purposely being unreasonable to shine a negative light on other WHMs and complaints that have actual weight.

[Lunaxia]

I saw a few BLM's that never did any aoe rotation on 5-6+ mobs so I'm seriously worried about how a large group of BLM's play <---- see how rediciulous that sounds?

Well... no, actually?

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All right, if you want to believe that.

snop

I'm wondering the same. You don't believe me, I'm a liar, WHMs are fine... so why are you still here?

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I'm wondering the same. You don't believe me, I'm a liar, WHMs are fine... so why are you still here?

I never said WHM was fine. I have my own feelings on where WHM stands right now, but what you're doing is just making things up to make things sound worse than they really are.
Threads like this is why people don't take WHM complaints seriously anymore.

[Miste]

This is a real issue to me. It doesn't have to meet your criteria for being a valid concern. It doesn't have to be set out in a way that pleases you. You're at liberty to disagree with it.

Are you serious? It's an issue just because I made a suggestion to you?

You do realize I didn't say "you have to".

I was making a suggestion to you that I feel would better benefit your time and energy which you are free to ignore just as I am free to suggest it.

You actively go out of your way to get me to reply to you, so there are some odd mixed messages here.

How can I go out of my way to get you to reply to me? I can't force you to reply. You said you don't care what I think so if that is true how can anything I say get you to reply??

This is getting ridiculous....also I'm not really going out of my way...I have been replying solely based on what you reply to me since the beginning of this and also explaining why I posted the opinion in the way that I did since you were so stuck on the "liar" thing.

I don't think for a minute that your problems towards me are entirely behind your disagreement. But if you're going to pretend there's no grudge I'm just going to lol.

You do you. It doesn't make any difference to me what you need to do to assure yourself. I already fully explained this twice.

The apology didn't mean much to me in the context of your post, unfortunately.

It was quite obvious from your response to my apology that you were simply too salty to accept it, so /shrug, I figured the whole thing was over after those two posts, you apologized, I apologized, but then you came back with the sodium out of no where.

I guess your initial apology wasn't sincere and was just derisive otherwise you wouldn't be so hostile immediately after I also apologized to you; which was sincere by the way. It's too bad I really thought we got somewhere.

I was merely being honest. You came in here holding a grudge, accused me of lying and "spreading nonsense", demanded evidence from me I didn't have to give you - and at that point, didn't particularly want to - used it to say I'm making everything up, claimed I personally attacked you, continue to keep this going for what I can only assume is your own ego when I've said I have nothing for you, attempt to tell me how I should post to be acceptable to you, go on to assume your opinion of me has any relevance here or to me, and rather manipulatively twist your own upset onto me. I don't "sugarcoat" either, and I don't think much of you for it. Just pity.

I was merely being honest too, so what's your point?

I already explained myself multiple times, so I mean do go on, this is popcorn worthy stuff right here. You obviously really cannot handle when people disagree with you or challenge things you claim in posts. Also all this rant here is stuff I have already explained. So, /shrug no point in repeating myself, like I said keep going if you want to, it is amusing.

I am really REALLY confused how you are offended that I used the word "should" and made a suggestion.

Pity me if you like. I am honored to be in your thoughts~

My comment on your self-importance has nothing to do with our disagreement, and I think you know that. You think too highly of yourself and the value of your opinion, and use it as a tool in your arguments against other people, much like you are now.

So if anyone disagrees with you or challenges your claims they simply have too huge an ego, value their own opinion too much, and are just using it as a tool against people.

Okay, gotcha! I totally understand. I forgot people can't disagree with each other without all of that. My bad.

[Lunaxia]

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No one takes WHM seriously anyway, lol. 3.0, we overreacted. Balance buff, we overreacted. Pre-4.0, we overreacted. 4.0, we're still overreacting. People still argue WHM is fine when WHM mains know there's a lot of room for improvement. My thread isn't going to change anything.

nnn

Okay, Miste. I hope you feel better.

[Sebazy]

No one takes WHM seriously anyway, lol. 3.0, we overreacted. Balance buff, we overreacted. Pre-4.0, we overreacted. 4.0, we're still overreacting. People still argue WHM is fine when WHM mains know there's a lot of room for improvement. My thread isn't going to change anything.

Meanwhile, I disagreed with the naysayers for 2.0, 3.0 and 4.0 and was mostly correct on all 3 occasions. I did agree with the flock for 3.4 and actually mained AST for that tier rather than waste effort fighting an uphill battle.

Needless to say, here I am, disagreeing with the naysayers again and I'm quietly confident I'm going to be correct here too

[Maeka]

Wow... this thread is STILL going!?

Yeeesh. Someone is adamant about their own suckage apparently. Maybe it's the player and not the class? Plenty of WHMs here in the thread that say WHM is fine. One player who "wants" to play WHM says it isn't.

I wonder who exactly is right and who exactly is wrong?

[Lunaxia]

snoop

4.0 WHM was a disappointing hot mess, despite being told we were jumping the gun worrying about it, and they acknowledged that by removing the ridiculous Cure lily proc. We're still left with a useless job gauge, though.

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It's actually me. I'm terrible. WHM is all right. The WHM and lilies threads, I actually made them with my alt account and then made more to make it look like people agree with me.

I'm ashamed.