And so it begins again

[Miste]

In terms of what I "should" do - what I post about WHM, or anything, for that matter, doesn't have to meet your specifications. You seem to have an unwarranted sense of self-importance concerning yourself and your impact on other people. You are not the judge and jury of this forum.

LOL...oh you are a gem, this post is hilarious.

I never said you had to meet my specifications, but that doesn't stop me from calling you out on things you post. Don't post in a public forum making claims like this if you can't handle people challenging your claims.

Can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.

I am not the judge and jury of this forum, of course not, but I have just as much right to post as you do don't I? I can post whatever I want to as long as it follows the forum rules. If you don't want to answer me no one can force you, but it doesn't mean I have to stop posting or asking.

You are free to ignore me like I said before, which considering you said you don't care what I think wouldn't that be easy for you to do? Yet...here you are again replying every time I address you.

it feels an awful lot like you're projecting the animosity and upset you've felt towards me onto me to hide the fact you've been bothered by this.

Feel that way if you wish to. I assure you your assumptions about how I feel are incorrect.

If it helps you sleep at night though, sure, go for it; pretend to yourself that you hurt my feelings and that is the whole reason I refuse to accept your exaggeration and not because you are posting nonsense and refuse to prove what you claiming in a public forum with your posts lol

I wish I could say the same.

You did apologize even though you didn't have to though so at least it shows you in a better light to me now. I also apologize if anything I said offended or hurt you.

I noticed you snipped that part and didn't keep the part where I also apologized if I caused any offense to you.

I was completely polite to you and this is how you reply? rofl

I thought we were making some good progress and you just threw yourself back into the ditch of mud.

I thought maybe you changed from before, but your true colours are popping out now since this whole reply you made is focused on me as a person instead of the actual points of the argument in this thread.

I have "unwarranted sense of self-importance" just because I disagree with you and call you out for claiming things that you have no evidence of....pfft lololol that made my day, thank you! I haven't laughed that hard in awhile.

So whatever, be hostile to me, I can take it, but also ends me giving any cares about being nice to you. I take back the apology. You have such a terrible attitude. Have a nice day!

[Lunaxia]

I never said you had to meet my specifications.

You should make threads about real WHM issues to help the job, instead of this exaggeration which just wasted time... or simply switch jobs if you don't like how it plays.

This is a real issue to me. It doesn't have to meet your criteria for being a valid concern. It doesn't have to be set out in a way that pleases you. You're at liberty to disagree with it.

manip.

You can post what you like. No one said otherwise.

You actively go out of your way to get me to reply to you, so there are some odd mixed messages here.

Feel that way if you wish to.

I don't think for a minute that your problems towards me are entirely behind your disagreement. But if you're going to pretend there's no grudge I'm just going to lol.

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The apology didn't mean much to me in the context of your post, unfortunately. I was merely being honest. You came in here holding a grudge, accused me of lying and "spreading nonsense", demanded evidence from me I didn't have to give you - and at that point, didn't particularly want to - used it to say I'm making everything up, claimed I personally attacked you, continue to keep this going for what I can only assume is your own ego when I've said I have nothing for you, attempt to tell me how I should post to be acceptable to you, go on to assume your opinion of me has any relevance here or to me, and rather manipulatively twist your own upset onto me. I don't "sugarcoat" either, and I don't think much of you for it. Just pity.

My comment on your self-importance has nothing to do with our disagreement, and I think you know that. You think too highly of yourself and the value of your opinion, and use it as a tool in your arguments against other people, much like you are now.

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I don't. I made this venting frustration the other night. I defended myself when I was accused of making everything up. "I think you're wrong about this" and "you're lying/ trolling" are two very different things. It's mostly been the latter.

"Mocked an AST buff", it was a poor joke referencing the AST situation from HW and WHM being regularly ignored by buffs, please calm down.

[Beelhi]

This is a real issue to me. It doesn't have to meet your criteria for being a valid concern.

I saw a few BLM's that never did any aoe rotation on 5-6+ mobs so I'm seriously worried about how a large group of BLM's play <---- see how rediciulous that sounds?

You came in here holding a grudge, accused me of lying and "spreading nonsense", demanded evidence from me I didn't have to give you

You know, USUALLY when people claim things, they need to back things up with evidence because if you're not, whilst others are providing evidence that you are wrong, it will lead to a thread calling you an overreacting liar. A few people that demand AST/SCH combo is not the end of WHM. And as alot of us have shown you, most parties already have WHM or don't care about what healer they get.

[Lunaxia]

I saw a few BLM's that never did any aoe rotation on 5-6+ mobs so I'm seriously worried about how a large group of BLM's play <---- see how rediciulous that sounds?

Well... no, actually?

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All right, if you want to believe that.

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I'm wondering the same. You don't believe me, I'm a liar, WHMs are fine... so why are you still here?

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I'm wondering the same. You don't believe me, I'm a liar, WHMs are fine... so why are you still here?

I never said WHM was fine. I have my own feelings on where WHM stands right now, but what you're doing is just making things up to make things sound worse than they really are.
Threads like this is why people don't take WHM complaints seriously anymore.

[Lunaxia]

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No one takes WHM seriously anyway, lol. 3.0, we overreacted. Balance buff, we overreacted. Pre-4.0, we overreacted. 4.0, we're still overreacting. People still argue WHM is fine when WHM mains know there's a lot of room for improvement. My thread isn't going to change anything.

nnn

Okay, Miste. I hope you feel better.

[Sebazy]

No one takes WHM seriously anyway, lol. 3.0, we overreacted. Balance buff, we overreacted. Pre-4.0, we overreacted. 4.0, we're still overreacting. People still argue WHM is fine when WHM mains know there's a lot of room for improvement. My thread isn't going to change anything.

Meanwhile, I disagreed with the naysayers for 2.0, 3.0 and 4.0 and was mostly correct on all 3 occasions. I did agree with the flock for 3.4 and actually mained AST for that tier rather than waste effort fighting an uphill battle.

Needless to say, here I am, disagreeing with the naysayers again and I'm quietly confident I'm going to be correct here too

[Ghishlain]

The happy (non-WHM main) minority are here saying WHM feels fine, the unhappy majority are not a part of the forum.

People still argue WHM is fine when WHM mains know there's a lot of room for improvement.

I was ignoring the first instance where you passive aggressively stated that any person who says WHM is fine is a non-WHM main. However, you continually seem to want to state that anyone who deems "WHM is fine" is a "non-WHM-main". This repeated sentiment to any dissenting opinion towards your opinion shows arrogance. It undermines your position further when you also consider that you haven't shown any evidence to corroborate your initial opening sentence against an overwhelming mountain of opposing opinion and evidence.

There are at least three posters in this thread who I could count as a WHM-main that have expressed opinions that differ from yours. I count myself as a WHM-main as well. I am of the particular sub faction that WHM is mostly fine and have disagreed with these other WHM-mains in the past over our differing opinions about the state of WHM. I think it's telling when we all are of the same opinion that you're over blowing the situation.

At this point in time, if you wanted to save face, you should be more constructive with your remarks. Being passive aggressive and snotty is getting you no where and when you do pose a genuine concern regarding WHM, it will most likely not be well received due to your previous actions. Just some food for thought for you.

[Miste]

This is a real issue to me. It doesn't have to meet your criteria for being a valid concern. It doesn't have to be set out in a way that pleases you. You're at liberty to disagree with it.

Are you serious? It's an issue just because I made a suggestion to you?

You do realize I didn't say "you have to".

I was making a suggestion to you that I feel would better benefit your time and energy which you are free to ignore just as I am free to suggest it.

You actively go out of your way to get me to reply to you, so there are some odd mixed messages here.

How can I go out of my way to get you to reply to me? I can't force you to reply. You said you don't care what I think so if that is true how can anything I say get you to reply??

This is getting ridiculous....also I'm not really going out of my way...I have been replying solely based on what you reply to me since the beginning of this and also explaining why I posted the opinion in the way that I did since you were so stuck on the "liar" thing.

I don't think for a minute that your problems towards me are entirely behind your disagreement. But if you're going to pretend there's no grudge I'm just going to lol.

You do you. It doesn't make any difference to me what you need to do to assure yourself. I already fully explained this twice.

The apology didn't mean much to me in the context of your post, unfortunately.

It was quite obvious from your response to my apology that you were simply too salty to accept it, so /shrug, I figured the whole thing was over after those two posts, you apologized, I apologized, but then you came back with the sodium out of no where.

I guess your initial apology wasn't sincere and was just derisive otherwise you wouldn't be so hostile immediately after I also apologized to you; which was sincere by the way. It's too bad I really thought we got somewhere.

I was merely being honest. You came in here holding a grudge, accused me of lying and "spreading nonsense", demanded evidence from me I didn't have to give you - and at that point, didn't particularly want to - used it to say I'm making everything up, claimed I personally attacked you, continue to keep this going for what I can only assume is your own ego when I've said I have nothing for you, attempt to tell me how I should post to be acceptable to you, go on to assume your opinion of me has any relevance here or to me, and rather manipulatively twist your own upset onto me. I don't "sugarcoat" either, and I don't think much of you for it. Just pity.

I was merely being honest too, so what's your point?

I already explained myself multiple times, so I mean do go on, this is popcorn worthy stuff right here. You obviously really cannot handle when people disagree with you or challenge things you claim in posts. Also all this rant here is stuff I have already explained. So, /shrug no point in repeating myself, like I said keep going if you want to, it is amusing.

I am really REALLY confused how you are offended that I used the word "should" and made a suggestion.

Pity me if you like. I am honored to be in your thoughts~

My comment on your self-importance has nothing to do with our disagreement, and I think you know that. You think too highly of yourself and the value of your opinion, and use it as a tool in your arguments against other people, much like you are now.

So if anyone disagrees with you or challenges your claims they simply have too huge an ego, value their own opinion too much, and are just using it as a tool against people.

Okay, gotcha! I totally understand. I forgot people can't disagree with each other without all of that. My bad.