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  1. #31
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    ElazulHP's Avatar
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    Inigo Meowtoya
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  2. #32
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    ChaoticCrimson's Avatar
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    Crimson Law
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    Adamantoise
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    Even though I never had it officially diagnosed, it's been brought up by several people over the years that I've exhibited signs of dyscalculia (and also dyslexia, to an extent, but that's beside the point). Luckily, it's not as bad these days and I've learned to manage, at least where basic math is concerned (I certainly don't miss college algebra, that's for sure). Still though, I've managed to do mostly okay with this part, although I recall I got mixed up once or twice while focusing on where I was supposed to run to. There's definitely more brutal parts of this fight, especially if you're a caster.
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  3. #33
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    Avatre's Avatar
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    Avatre Drakone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    The only DPS check is after the math, with the add phase. If you don't kill those fast enough to be able to escape, he wipes anyone still in the portal. If most of the group survives the math phase and a few people have the success buff, it's not a hard check. Woe be if half your group is dead, though.
    Yup...my party wiped there last night. Most of us DPS had died a few times by that point too(actually, almost the entire party had died 3+ times to MB).
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  4. #34
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    Riyah Arpeggio
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira View Post
    my last group fought him for 20+ mins so I do not believe (in god) there is any sort of DPS check.
    No, what I meant was you don't stop DPSing while he does the math stuff, unless you are melee and the circle prevents it.
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  5. #35
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    Souljacker's Avatar
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    Last Hero
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    when did everyone become such jerks? It's not the math, its the fact that you're asking people to DPS as well as do math with a moderate time limit. People also don't get that you are supposed to stand in one instead of tap it and keep adding numbers, as well as that you only add them, since the boss uses subtract and multiply. Some don't look at their HP because it's still at full and they miss the downgrading. People get it when you explain it, but its a bit annoying to see all the "durrr hurr stupid people" over an unusual mechanic the first week of the raid. And yes, i can do it fine.

    I hope Yoshi adds this to savage with three digit totals and single digit primes as the pools you have to tap. Be forgiving of other people, don't crow over it, yeesh
    I flipped out on my guild for this behavior as well. It's FOUR DAYS since the patch and I swear our spoilers channel was nothing but a circle jerk of people talking about how awesome they are and how much everyone else sucks because they don't have this 100% perfect by day 1. Like, what is wrong with you people?

    Ironically I'm a programmer and luckily one of the people this comes easy to. It doesn't come easily to everyone and there's nothing at all wrong with that.

    calm down people. There's a LOT going on in this mechanic.
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  6. #36
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    Anemone_Valesti's Avatar
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    Hitman Hohenheim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Souljacker View Post
    I flipped out on my guild for this behavior as well. It's FOUR DAYS since the patch and I swear our spoilers channel was nothing but a circle jerk of people talking about how awesome they are and how much everyone else sucks because they don't have this 100% perfect by day 1. Like, what is wrong with you people?

    Ironically I'm a programmer and luckily one of the people this comes easy to. It doesn't come easily to everyone and there's nothing at all wrong with that.

    calm down people. There's a LOT going on in this mechanic.
    Those people got to get their validation from somewhere. No one else will give it to them xD
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  7. #37
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    Nezerius's Avatar
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    Rintha Elenah
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    Balmung
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    Lancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    when did everyone become such jerks? It's not the math, its the fact that you're asking people to DPS as well as do math with a moderate time limit.
    Do they? You don't have to dps while you're figuring out the mechanic. Besides, the 10 seconds of no dps to get the mechanic right is made up by the damage buff that you get.
    And even then, the alliance raids aren't like savage fights, with tight dps checks. It's okay to step back on dps to do a mechanic properly.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp
    People also don't get that you are supposed to stand in one instead of tap it and keep adding numbers, as well as that you only add them, since the boss uses subtract and multiply. Some don't look at their HP because it's still at full and they miss the downgrading. People get it when you explain it, but its a bit annoying to see all the "durrr hurr stupid people" over an unusual mechanic the first week of the raid. And yes, i can do it fine.
    I'll agree that the initial Subtract cast could've been named different to remove some of the confusion (something along the lines of "Initiating Calculations" or something), but the rest can be figured out through trial and error. At first, I thought the debuff indicated the number I had to multiply (which wasn't the case), then I noticed my health being a signal digit, since my debuffs are close enough to my health bar to notice the change. I then noticed that moving into one of the circles increased the single digit by the amount of dots shown, and moving out of it caused that single digit to return to normal.
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    Last edited by Nezerius; 05-26-2018 at 03:12 AM.

  8. #38
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    Kakiko's Avatar
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    Halo Kitty
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    Midgardsormr
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    I just accept death because I cannot math that quickly. I failed math all through high school and only graduated because grade 11 was "remedial" math. I can't add double digit numbers without writing them down. I can't subtract double digits. I can't divide most numbers. I never understood integers or fractions either. I can't tell if 2/3 is bigger than 1/4 and have to always Google it if I'm baking and need to know. Not officially diagnosed with dyscalculia, but the fact that I have trouble telling time, have trouble counting backwards, have difficulty estimating (every morning I have to use my phone's calculator to tell me how much change I should get back at the coffee shop and then I have to spend time counting it out three or four times to ensure that it was correct. Example: coffee and bagel came to $3.87 and I gave them a $20, I have to pull up my calculator to find out I need $16.13 back because I cannot do the subtraction in my head), spend an inordinate amount of time learning any type math concepts, have difficulty remembering place value (I have to write it out and then individually count 'ones, tens, hundreds' and even then I often get it confused), has pretty much convinced all educators I've been in contact with that I very likely have the disorder.

    I know I will never be able to successfully handle that mechanic with Construct 7. I've accepted that. I'm good at other things, just not this thing.
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    Last edited by Kakiko; 05-26-2018 at 03:20 AM.
    Canadian, eh!
    "When someone told me I live in a fantasy land, I nearly fell off my unicorn"

  9. #39
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    Reimi Ackerman
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    Midgardsormr
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    Ninja Lv 51
    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvina View Post
    is Dyscalculia a thing? I have trouble with basic math (not THAT basic though) although higher forms of math such as algebra and trig never gave me issues in high school. How would dyscalculia even work?
    It's a thing, but I'd wager maybe 1% of the people blaming it for their botching the mechanic actually have it.
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  10. #40
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    Kestrel Moon
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    Midgardsormr
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Regardless of what percent of people are diagnosed with dyscalcula, people obviously still struggle with this mechanic for various reasons from not being able to calculate fast enough to not understanding what is even being asked of them. I sincerely doubt people are failing this mech out of laziness or just to troll like I’ve seen some people in game imply. Even if you are not diagnosed with dyscalcula you can still struggle with this mechanic for reasons other than laziness. Also just because one person finds something to be brain dead easy doesn’t mean everyone else has the same experience. People getting all up on their high horses over this is so ridiculous. No one is better than anyone else just because they got the mech down on day 1. People will get more proficient at it over time.
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    Last edited by Tempest222; 05-26-2018 at 08:27 AM.

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