Other MMOs that you think ARE ACTUALLY BETTER?

[Tanathya]

Well technically there's an unofficial English patch, but it means that if you want to play the story mode on its release day, you'll have to do it entirely in Japanese, and if you want any Gatcha items when they come out, you'll have to wait until a Japanese player on your server gets it and sells it on the auction house. It's not entirely bad because you can easily earn enough currency to purchase things that cost a lot if you save up money from dailies and weeklies.
Its dev team have already insisted that there will never be an official global launch which is really unfortunate because its a really excellent game

(feels bad man, I wrote a huge post and it came to like 6000 characters so this is the shortened version)

You can edit your first post so you can bypass the characters limit :3

[FudoMyoo]

The only other MMO that I play beside FF14 is BDO.

I really love horses .... ^^;

[KaldeaSahaline]

Use Google. LMGTFY, any time I link to studies, nobody reads them.

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/games/wo...-games-history

That is where the "20 hour raid" comes from.

Really? This was your example? Not only did I read your sources, but they're not even applicable to your example. AV was:

1) Not a raid
2) PVP
3) You were free to come and go. You didn't stay there for 20 hours consecutively.

Did you even play WoW during that time period? How about at all? And please - you ignored my question. Why do you dislike raiders so much?

And when you look at the blizzard forums that is actualy confirmed when someone asks how old everyone is and at seeing the replies a huge part is -18. On FFXIV that amount is way lower.

Do you have a source for this claim? I haven't seen it, I'd be curious to see the demographic breakdown.

[RethDaron]

Mabinogi and FFXI.

The music composing in Mabinogi puts XIV to shame.

[KisaiTenshi]

Really?

Games are addictive, trollish raiders tell players to spoil the game for themselves or don't play at all. So please nope out of this thread before it becomes 50 pages of trolls justifying their cheat use and abusive nature towards everyone.

Mabinogi and FFXI.

The music composing in Mabinogi puts XIV to shame.

It also brought lawsuits threats from JASRAC because people didn't compose their own songs, they just pirated a MIDI and transcribed it to MML with a tool. Hence you will not see anything in FFXIV for it.

I'd like to see maybe putting an actual "sheet music" authoring bit into the game, so that you could have your "band" party synchronize playback, and control over the playback quality would just be it's own guitar-hero-like mechanic.

[FelixDaCat]

Final Fantasy 14 is the first game in the series I have ever played, so I don't really understand why people prefer FFXI more. To me, it seems more inline with a typical JPRPG game, where as FF14 is much more Western in it's style of game play. There is a really amazing documentary done on FF14 that came out last year when Stormblood was coming out. It's interesting to see how XI gave Square-Enix an over confident attitude in their method/style of game play for an MMO. But between the original launch of FFXI and FF14, Blizzard had release WoW and the rules of how to make a good MMORPG changed almost over night.

For me, I find WoW has had far too much done to it, with all the expansions and increases in level cap etc. I got really into WoW during WotLK and was just blown away at how amazing the game was. How the game made me feel back then, is pretty much how FF14 makes me feel these days. If I were to go back to WoW, I don't think I would enjoy it as it's evolved into something very different.

I think FF14, will age better than WoW due to how much more important the story plays with this series, than the lore and plot of WoW. I've never come across another MMORPG that has grabbed my attention for long enough like these two games have. So I can honestly say, out of all the MMO's I've tried, nothing can match it. I would love to try some other MMO's out, but the amount of time required to get anywhere with an MMO means I never want to risk getting involved with another really bad MMO like the first one I played called "Knight Online", because you realise you wasted a year or two, playing a game that has pretty much frustrated you and has offered next to no reward for playing it.

[RareItems]

Black Desert Online, but its not better, more like an equal to FFXIV. Right now FFXIV is definitely ahead of BDO because of Patch 4.3 and BDO is currently on "A Realm Reborn" Stage (they are revamping the combat in the game, players hate it xD)

Pros:
Easy to pick up.
AFK activities, you can play it afk while playing FFXIV.
Action oriented combat
Nice graphics, the game seems more alive than in FFXIV.
NPC's have voiceovers not just in cutscenes.
No monthly subscription

Cons.
The game is designed so your inclined to spend RL money on it for "convenience"s. Like a F2P Smartphone game.
Unbalanced PVP which is the only reason why you would play BDO.
Extremely grindy with little to no rewards.
Toxic Community, No world chat filter, not recommended for players under 18.
Gear upgrade system that is sure to make you quit someday

[FelixDaCat]

Black Desert Online, but its not better, more like an equal to FFXIV. Right now FFXIV is definitely ahead of BDO because of Patch 4.3 and BDO is currently on "A Realm Reborn" Stage (they are revamping the combat in the game, players hate it xD)

Pros:
Easy to pick up.
AFK activities, you can play it afk while playing FFXIV.
Action oriented combat
Nice graphics, the game seems more alive than in FFXIV.
NPC's have voiceovers not just in cutscenes.


Cons.
The game is designed so your inclined to spend RL money on it for "convenience"s. Like a F2P Smartphone game.
Unbalanced PVP which is the only reason why you would play BDO.
Extremely grindy with little to no rewards.
Toxic Community, No world chat filter, not recommended for players under 18.
Gear upgrade system that is sure to make you quit someday

Do you think anyone will try to do a new monthly subscription MMORPG, or are we only going to find the FTP model being used for any new IP?

[Skivvy]

It also brought lawsuits threats from JASRAC because people didn't compose their own songs, they just pirated a MIDI and transcribed it to MML with a tool. Hence you will not see anything in FFXIV for it.

Did anything ever come of the threats? I wasn't able to find anything in a quick search, and I am not familiar with Mabinogi's history.

Archeage also uses MML coding, and you can transcribe songs using a midi as a base. I've not heard of any lawsuits or threats in that realm. I would 100% take an MML system over what we currently have. With MMLs, the songs actually sound decent, you can do chords, you can adjust the volume and length for each individual note, you can change octaves easily, you can create multi-part songs to play with your friends (which is a ton of fun!), and a big thing is that it brings the music fun to people who are not necessarily musically inclined.

[KisaiTenshi]

Did anything ever come of the threats? I wasn't able to find anything in a quick search, and I am not familiar with Mabinogi's history.

Archeage also uses MML coding, and you can transcribe songs using a midi as a base. I've not heard of any lawsuits or threats in that realm. I would 100% take an MML system over what we currently have. With MMLs, the songs actually sound decent, you can do chords, you can adjust the volume and length for each individual note, you can change octaves easily, you can create multi-part songs to play with your friends (which is a ton of fun!), and a big thing is that it brings the music fun to people who are not necessarily musically inclined.

I don't know anyone who personally got a takedown, but then again JASRAC is quite a bully in Japan to any site with MIDI files to begin with ( http://mabinogi.nexon.co.jp/communit...6999&ix=124396 ) Midi's are basically the same as hosting mp3's to them.

The problem isn't the MML, it's that the MML's were of copyrighted music. JASRAC = RIAA for all intents. The other thing is that Mabinogi actually invoked the OS's software midi synth, and thus some modders replaced the default instruments with higher quality ones and yeah, you know where I'm going with this. Basically people aren't particularly observant of copyright with the songs and instruments, so sites hosting midi's and MML's get shutdown all the time, and a lot of the stuff that people still have are floating around piracy sites hosted in eastern europe.

FFXIV doesn't invoke the software synth because there is none on the PS4. So a "MML" system has no underlying midi synth, it's literately just playing fixed sounds. To do MML's would require actually coding a software synth, and proper music samples with ASDR envelopes. So that's a little too much to ask for, regardless of "ps4 limits". As far as game clients are concerned, the game server should send a music sync message so the "band" playing are all playing in sync, automatically, to whoever has the sheetmusic. Even if playing manually, everyone within ear shot should hear the notes as if they are synced to the same timebase, and that doesn't happen currently as far as I know.