To those who played FF11...

[Tanathya]

Valkrum was a filter for people who could put up with BS, or those that just decided to go play games that didn't hit you so hard so early. And before anyone says I wanted to be handed things on a platter, I played Lineage 2 for years. That was arguably just as grindy, if not more.

Grindy doesn't mean it's hard. Anyway, whereas you see BS, we don't see it as such. Seems like you're salty about it from the many posts despising FFXI. I didn't like Lineage 2. Oh, well, to each their own!

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Grindy doesn't mean it's hard. Anyway, whereas you see BS, we don't see it as such. Seems like you're salty about it from the many posts despising FFXI. I didn't like Lineage 2. Oh, well, to each their own!

I'm glad we can agree grindy doesn't equal hard. I'm not necessarily salty about my experience in the game, as much as people who say there were no issues with it and people who didn't like it weren't worth playing with if they couldn't get past "a filter"

If I'd had friends or been able to connect with people and get past the Dunes, I probably would have played the game for years.

Forcing party play to continue that early was probably a design decision that hurt the game for many new players.

[Tanathya]

I'm glad we can agree grindy doesn't equal hard. I'm not necessarily salty about my experience in the game, as much as people who say there were no issues with it and people who didn't like it weren't worth playing with if they couldn't get past "a filter"

If I'd had friends or been able to connect with people and get past the Dunes, I probably would have played the game for years.

Forcing party play to continue that early was probably a design decision that hurt the game for many new players.

It's a niche game, and as such, you either love it or loathe it.