Yes, another All Greed Alliance thread.

[Duskane]

If its your main should be using tomes
Upgrading crafted gear
But you can do all content in this game at i350 with anemos there is no rush to gearing up

[Anarnee]

The 24 man is just as valid a way to gear as tomes, it's supposed to help people catch up, but people can't because they can't get gear they actually need.

Tome gear has never been the end all be all to gear, we've always had options, and now it's like they're just pushing us into an even narrower hole.

It's a stupid system.

[Enla]

The 24 man is just as valid a way to gear as tomes, it's supposed to help people catch up, but people can't because they can't get gear they actually need.

Tome gear has never been the end all be all to gear, we've always had options, and now it's like they're just pushing us into an even narrower hole.

It's a stupid system.

Not to mention that a lot of people are coming back after a long break. Hell, I'm one of those people. My alt that I run through the MSQ is woefully undergeared right now and I was planning on using the alliance raids to catch up, and to get the last piece I need on my main.

[Yenyen]

I just deal with it I suppose but... I won't lie, it makes me sad that I can lose gear to some guy who wants to go trade his gear for some grand company seals, keep the greed but force it so ONLY people able to actually equip them can roll.


slight related note, I did Skalla with 2 friends and a Dragoon who was just looking for glamour, samurai chest drops he's like "omg I've been farming this so much it finally drops"
he has 70 Sam but nope he didn't get it, my friend did who is still 50 Sam from like a month ago (still has the chest piece though not gc seal'd
Surprisingly the dragoon was cool about it and like, its completely fair I'll get another 1 ^^.
I befriended him because I liked the way he articulated himself

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Unpopular opinion ahead, beware!

I actually like this change. I am now able to play my favorite jobs while taking advantage of faster queue times and still have a fair shot at getting gear for my DPS jobs. I don’t actually want any gear from the newest raid though, so fear not if you run into me because I won’t be rolling.

Why should you get a "fair" chance to roll on gear for jobs you aren't actively playing in the content itself? If I queue on Bard, why should you get an equal chance at gear that may be an upgrade for me when you opted to queue as a healer?

[Derio]

Exactly, you shouldnt get a fair chance to get gear for a job that you are running in an instance where you are the only one in the party who is playing as that job. Its a good change. Now I can run as tank and get my SMN,NIN,WHM gear without running as those jobs. Its just great.


*sarcasm*

[HyoMinPark]

Also, as the above poster mentions, allows people to queue on roles that might be in more demand without affecting what they could lot on. . .I suppose the middle-ground would be allowing us to set a need-job that could differ from the job we queued as. I certainly wouldn't be opposed to such a change.

The issue with your first point, is that now DPS jobs can roll willy-nilly on tank and healer gear, while avoiding actually having to play the jobs. This may not sound like a bad thing at first, but you need also consider the tanks and healers that do play those roles, and actively queued into the content so that they could get gear needed for those roles which they actively play. I notice a lot of people like to try and roll on tank and healer gear, but they don’t seem particularly inclined to put the roles to use...or they don’t even have them leveled/unlocked to begin with.

Aside from a token system, if the developers want to keep this Greed Only system, a good thing to do would be to set requirements on the ability to Greed: by this, I mean that the person has to meet two requirements to roll on a piece—
1. Have the job unlocked (I have seen a lot of people roll on gear before that don’t even have the job unlocked; if you don’t have NIN or even ROG unlocked, why are you rolling on the Scouting gear).
2. Have the job at a, more or less, up to date level (by this, I mean requiring them to have it at level 61 or higher to roll on the level 70 gear; at least that way, they have the job within the Stormblood expansion, and seem to be actively leveling/playing it).

As the system is now, it’s terrible, and I’m not even attempting to get gear if I’m queuing in and dealing with a full alliance of randoms. I usually use these 24-mans to gear my healers if they don’t have the Tomestone or Savage gear needed (or the Tome gear is awful and I don’t have a better option), but if I can’t roll Need on the gear, I’m not even going to bother. At least I have the Augmented 360 gear now.


That being said, every week a group of 7 friends and I are queuing in as a pre-made so that we don’t have to deal with people taking loot that we would want.

[Remedi]

As things stands, I don't see how 24 man gear can be a valid option for anyone beside glamour considering you have 360 tome gear (that can be upgraded) and augmented crafted gear to choose upon.
Adding greed only weekly locked and a non weekly locked way to get gear at the same time was probably the stupidest thing I've ever saw in a game

[HyoMinPark]

As things stands, I don't see how 24 man gear can be a valid option for anyone beside glamour considering you have 360 tome gear (that can be upgraded) and augmented crafted gear to choose upon.
Adding greed only weekly locked and a non weekly locked way to get gear at the same time was probably the stupidest thing I've ever saw in a game

It’s mostly for alt jobs, since people that don’t raid will probably use Mendacity on their main/secondary job. And to give an alternative to some of the i360 Augmented Crafted in the event that they don’t like the substats on them. It is still a really dumb system, agreed.

[Remedi]

I know it's for alt jobs, but as said there are already better alternatives one of which is not locked by weekly, but by your will of levelling up crafters in a patch that was hevaily incentivizes it too! I mean substats can go so far if I need to become crazy to get that piece I might just settle for a suitable piece and call it a day also it's not like there's a real lack of glamour either.
I'm always of the opinuion that 24 man have become a poor choice in gearing since the removal of accuracy and the ease on savage, but what they do? they make loot greed only and offer plentyful of better alternatives, they really ought to think better about 24 man raids in the future