Yes, another All Greed Alliance thread.

[kupokage]

I can\\'t gear my SAM main through the new 24 man because everyone is greeding Vaan\\'s gear for glamour.

Is this SE\\'s way of making me run it more to keep the raid alive? Yea no. The loot pool is big enough as is, and then having to roll against 7 others when it does drop is dumb AF. On top of that I can\\'t even upgrade my Eureka gear this upcoming Pagos. Am I suppose to spend weekly capped Mendacity Tomes for gear on a main that\\'ll wear Eureka gear in the end regardless and therefore wasting the Tomes I could\\'ve spent on an alt?

Guess I\\'m stuck with ilvl 350 gear on my main until the 3rd Eureka comes out.

/rant

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

You don't have tomes? Why would you not spend those on your main

[Vidu]

In regards to your gear-issue...

1) Yes, you are supposed to cap Tomes if you want gear - not a real surprise, is it?
2) Unless you're raiding - which you're not in 350/Eureka-gear - you dont really "need" 360 right now. If you are raiding you're getting 370 stuff anyways!
3) If people are rolling on a specific piece of gear for glamour reasons, whats stopping you to grab a less glamour-attractive piece if you're after ilvl? Stuff like headpieces, gloves, boots and (I dont believe I'm saying this) belts are often less desired for glamour.
4) You can get 360 now by exchanging the crafted 350-gear in Rhalgrs Reach.

I dont agree with the "All Greed"-rule either, but if ilvl is your concern... go ahead and pick one of the other options. As a non-raider 350 is fine anyways.

[Penthea]

Unless you're raiding - which you're not in 350/Eureka-gear - you dont really "need" 360 right now. If you are raiding you're getting 370 stuff anyways!

I'm a raider and I equipped the 360 boots. They are actually better than my 370.

[Rockette]

I really hope they change this. Who even asked for this in the first place

[MrSmiley]

I see lots of accusations fly about how people shouldn't whine about this, but never a reason to why this system is better than the previous and should have been changed.

[Raldo]

I see lots of accusations fly about how people shouldn't whine about this, but never a reason to why this system is better than the previous and should have been changed.

I assume the intent was to get people to come on their main jobs (which are likely better geared and played at a higher level). I was certainly guilty of that. I rarely queued for Rabanastre on my main job because the gear drops were inferior to what I was already wearing due to gear bought with tomes. Also, as the above poster mentions, allows people to queue on roles that might be in more demand without affecting what they could lot on.

Whether or not that intent was successful, I can't comment on (I haven't had time to log on yet).


I suppose the middle-ground would be allowing us to set a need-job that could differ from the job we queued as. I certainly wouldn't be opposed to such a change.

[HyoMinPark]

Also, as the above poster mentions, allows people to queue on roles that might be in more demand without affecting what they could lot on. . .I suppose the middle-ground would be allowing us to set a need-job that could differ from the job we queued as. I certainly wouldn't be opposed to such a change.

The issue with your first point, is that now DPS jobs can roll willy-nilly on tank and healer gear, while avoiding actually having to play the jobs. This may not sound like a bad thing at first, but you need also consider the tanks and healers that do play those roles, and actively queued into the content so that they could get gear needed for those roles which they actively play. I notice a lot of people like to try and roll on tank and healer gear, but they don’t seem particularly inclined to put the roles to use...or they don’t even have them leveled/unlocked to begin with.

Aside from a token system, if the developers want to keep this Greed Only system, a good thing to do would be to set requirements on the ability to Greed: by this, I mean that the person has to meet two requirements to roll on a piece—
1. Have the job unlocked (I have seen a lot of people roll on gear before that don’t even have the job unlocked; if you don’t have NIN or even ROG unlocked, why are you rolling on the Scouting gear).
2. Have the job at a, more or less, up to date level (by this, I mean requiring them to have it at level 61 or higher to roll on the level 70 gear; at least that way, they have the job within the Stormblood expansion, and seem to be actively leveling/playing it).

As the system is now, it’s terrible, and I’m not even attempting to get gear if I’m queuing in and dealing with a full alliance of randoms. I usually use these 24-mans to gear my healers if they don’t have the Tomestone or Savage gear needed (or the Tome gear is awful and I don’t have a better option), but if I can’t roll Need on the gear, I’m not even going to bother. At least I have the Augmented 360 gear now.


That being said, every week a group of 7 friends and I are queuing in as a pre-made so that we don’t have to deal with people taking loot that we would want.

[Miraiina]

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That being said, every week a group of 7 friends and I are queuing in as a pre-made so that we don’t have to deal with people taking loot that we would want.

This, I feel like this is only way to do things now if you want gear.

[Moonfish]

Unpopular opinion ahead, beware!

I actually like this change. I am now able to play my favorite jobs while taking advantage of faster queue times and still have a fair shot at getting gear for my DPS jobs. I don’t actually want any gear from the newest raid though, so fear not if you run into me because I won’t be rolling.