PoTD (and HoH) are not just for weapon capped speed demons

[Makeda]

I ignore the people that rage when I go after silver chests.

Granted at this point in the game, yes; there is ZERO NEED for aetherpool weapons.

But some folks want them anyway, for the glamour.

And that's just fine. I will also help those people get the blue chests even when on my miqote, that has all the tank aetherpool weapons and is at 99/99. Because I remember the slog of getting there when other people were raging at me... (I did that all during Heavensward too, when those weapons mattered).

If people got issues with somebody in content actually running that content... that's on them. Ignore the ragers. If they vote you out... just queue back in. PotD is the one place that all roles can queue equally for.

One thing I will say... the more you can avoid level 51-60, the easier it is to avoid the 'go go go' community. They just farm that on repeat. Granted even 61-70 has a rather long queue to enter some times as a result... but once you get off of 51-60, the groups you get tossed in to are more likely to be friendly about helping get various goals.

So your best bet at a drama free experience, is what I did for my Elezen on later runs - just let them rush you through 51-60, then hit 61+ and while there... ignore the 'go go go' ragers and go after all those blue chests. Then reset back to 51-60 every time the queue is taking too long, let them rush you on 51-60, and then enjoy above it for a bit...

- Yes I missed some chests as a result... but it wasn't all that bad. There seems to be fewer blue chests the lower the level (if that's not true... it's a handy delusion to have... it makes it less stressful to see a floor pass by if you think it had low odds of a blue chest... )

[Zolvolt]

I get irritated at people who say to form a PF for a group to get silver chests. People who want to speed run should be the ones to PF up. If they're so inclined to speed run then actively seek out 99/99 players instead of getting mad because the people not 99/99 are decided to do that content.

The 99/99 speedrunners not using the duty finder is the problem here imo. THe content is multi-purpose, if you only want to use it for ONE THING (speed running for exp) you should be the one using the PF.

Especially since people are FAR more likely to group with a 99/99 PF group than a silver chest group because you get told "just queue solo for the chests".

There is no solution for people who want the aetherpool weapons.

[Rongway]

I get irritated at people who say to form a PF for a group to get silver chests. People who want to speed run should be the ones to PF up. If they're so inclined to speed run then actively seek out 99/99 players instead of getting mad because the people not 99/99 are decided to do that content.

The 99/99 speedrunners not using the duty finder is the problem here imo. THe content is multi-purpose, if you only want to use it for ONE THING (speed running for exp) you should be the one using the PF.

Speedrunners with complaints about non speedrunners should also use PF.

That said, the weapons are obsolete. Why then is it unreasonable to assume that people running it for experience would be the default?.

[Squintina]

Speedrunners with complaints about non speedrunners should also use PF.

That said, the weapons are obsolete. Why then is it unreasonable to assume that people running it for experience would be the default?.

Not everyone who has a lower aetherpool is trying to get glamour weapons. Some of them just don't have +99 because they never got there to begin with, even though they're in there to level too. There are always newer/returning players.

[Zolvolt]

Speedrunners with complaints about non speedrunners should also use PF.

That said, the weapons are obsolete. Why then is it unreasonable to assume that people running it for experience would be the default?.

Queuing solo means you will get anyone from 15 - 99 weapons. You will get people that need those upgrades. You can't just say tough luck to people that need them (or kick them). It doesn't work that way.

Obsolete in power yes. But achievements and glamour still make them desirable to people.

[Rongway]

Not everyone who has a lower aetherpool is trying to get glamour weapons. Some of them just don't have +99 because they never got there to begin with, even though they're in there to level too. There are always newer/returning players.

Queuing solo means you will get anyone from 15 - 99 weapons. You will get people that need those upgrades. You can't just say tough luck to people that need them (or kick them). It doesn't work that way.

Obsolete in power yes. But achievements and glamour still make them desirable to people.

These are good reasons why someone would want to take the time to open the chests. However, I asked why a speed run would not be the default, or in other words, why would you not expect most people to want a speed run.

While there will always be some people who want aetherpool upgrades, the vast majority of people I've encountered in the Palace have been people who are leveling and didn't want to wait half an hour for a dungeon queue, and these people want the most xp per time, which you don't need 99/99 for. You really just need high enough aetherpool levels to be allowed access to the floor you're entering.


As I said earlier, I'm not reserving my advice for just the people on one side. If you're doing any content, and your goal for that content is important enough that you have to complain on the forums when you get matched with people whose goals don't line up with yours, you should be using partyfinder. If you want chests and can't stand it when people are impatient and won't let you get chests, /partyfinder. If you want speed runs and are getting impatient because people want chests, /partyfinder.

Matched parties have always been and will always be a crap shoot. If you want guarantees, use partyfinder and be clear about your goals before entering the duty.

[Mirakumi]

Anyone who really speed runs PoTD should know that Floor 51-60 is used for speed running and is the best option for exp. Just keep running it over and over.
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Higher floors should be for those seeking silvers or simply beating POTD for the first time.
I can't imagine why anyone would want to speed run the higher floors really is a waste of time.

I met a couple today who were speed running the higher floors. They were actually threatening this one guy in PT a vote kick because they were speeding floor 90. 90 is not a speed running floor the monsters take hella long to die and there is a higher rate of death if not carrying the right aether amounts. I was actually surprised this pair hadn't considered the reset option. Maybe some people just don't know to reset it and flourish from there but come on! Speeding floor 90 when 90 is the only floor some people can get upgrades on. Wow.

[Rongway]

Anyone who really speed runs PoTD should know that Floor 51-60 is used for speed running and is the best option for exp. Just keep running it over and over.
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Higher floors should be for those seeking silvers or simply beating POTD for the first time.
I can't imagine why anyone would want to speed run the higher floors really is a waste of time.

Oh that’s a very good point that I hadn’t considered; I was only thinking about repeatedly running 51-60. It sounds reasonable to assume silver chests on the deepest floors, based on that explanation.

[TaleraRistain]

Some people are jerks. I always ask when I see white weapons if we need to clear for silvers and make it crystal clear to everyone that I am more than willing to help. Or lend support to those with red weapons who mention they do need silvers. It's much faster to just clear and snag them than sit on the passage because it wasn't what you were there for. Plus it's kind of a dick thing to do.

[TahjaEstes]

Speedrunners with complaints about non speedrunners should also use PF.

That said, the weapons are obsolete. Why then is it unreasonable to assume that people running it for experience would be the default?.

In case you weren't aware, there are people the weapons ARE still relevant for:

A: people leveling alts
B: people playing through the MSQ for the first time
C: people leveling alternate jobs
or
D: people playing the content for the first time.

You're being unbelievably selfish and disrupting their game play if you're a speedrunner who gets kick happy when people don't do things your way. That IS a reportable offense, especially when you consider you're kicking them under false pretenses.

Speedrunners should either be using the PF or growing up and letting them get their gear.

Sorry, I'm miffed. I just got my first kick over this garbage excuse.