Mod users in FFXIV are getting out of control

[KisaiTenshi]

You gave your consent for me to monitor your performance when you joined my group. In my group, my success relies in part on your ability to perform. If you aren't okay with that, there are 13+ other solo Final Fantasy games for you to go play. This level of nonsense is pathetic.

Nonsense. You joined a multiplayer game, with terms of service among other things prohibits third party tools, data mining, and harassment. You are not entitled to ignore the rules while others abide by them.

[Calladan]

Nonsense. You joined a multiplayer game, with terms of service among other things prohibits third party tools, data mining, and harassment. You are not entitled to ignore the rules while others abide by them.

So if I judge your performance solely on what I see in the chat log thats okay? I highly doubt it. Also, the terms of service on these forums prohibit harassment, but you take every opportunity to break them by harassing people who use parsers, so don't you dare claim you're abiding by the rules.

[KisaiTenshi]

So if I judge your performance solely on what I see in the chat log thats okay? I highly doubt it. Also, the terms of service on these forums prohibit harassment, but you take every opportunity to break them by harassing people who use parsers, so don't you dare claim you're abiding by the rules.

Oh please. Everyone who uses ACT does not get to cry victim. Everyone who uses mods, does not get to cry victim. If you know you are breaking the rules, you lost the moral high ground. If someone reports you for harassment, you lose. You are on the official forums, it's like bragging about where you stashed the bodies to a murder and it then crying that it shouldn't count because the cops didn't know about it until now.

[Sebazy]

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Ok that's cool, now can you please take it to a thread where it's actually relevant? Thanks <3

It sucks that you can\\'t play a game to have fun and mind your own business without having someone try to make unwanted advances.

In fairness, lets not lose sight of the fact that this sort of behaviour has existed in MMOs as well as other large scale social platforms since the year dot. It's not really fair to pin this kind of behaviour on mods as they aren't responsible for it.

[KaivaC]

Oh please. Everyone who uses ACT does not get to cry victim. Everyone who uses mods, does not get to cry victim. If you know you are breaking the rules, you lost the moral high ground. If someone reports you for harassment, you lose. You are on the official forums, it's like bragging about where you stashed the bodies to a murder and it then crying that it shouldn't count because the cops didn't know about it until now.

I'm still wondering how it is possible you are linking ACT to the modding that was brought up on the original page, or how ACT and botting are 'the same'. Also, that is a bad analogy to use. Most folks don't come here and 'brag' about parses or post screens of obviously modded stuff. They take that elsewhere where it is not against forum rules.

[KisaiTenshi]

I'm still wondering how it is possible you are linking ACT to the modding that was brought up on the original page, or how ACT and botting are 'the same'. Also, that is a bad analogy to use. Most folks don't come here and 'brag' about parses or post screens of obviously modded stuff. They take that elsewhere where it is not against forum rules.

Have you looked at the screenshot threads lately?

[KaivaC]

Have you looked at the screenshot threads lately?

I have not, because I have no need to. Before you even get started, because I know you're going to say something else off the wall, keep note of what you quoted me on. I said 'most folks'. And don't worry about bringing up ReShade, either.

[Tridus]

Nonsense. You joined a multiplayer game, with terms of service among other things prohibits third party tools, data mining, and harassment. You are not entitled to ignore the rules while others abide by them.

I used the G keys on my Logitech keyboard to automate opening lockboxes in Eureka, and the keyboard driver is a third party tool. I await my ban.

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What's that? SE doesn't actually enforce that when it's not being used against another player? Huh. Maybe the actual enforced rules aren't quite what you think they are...

[KisaiTenshi]

I used the G keys on my Logitech keyboard to automate opening lockboxes in Eureka, and the keyboard driver is a third party tool. I await my ban.

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What's that? SE doesn't actually enforce that when it's not being used against another player? Huh. Maybe the actual enforced rules aren't quite what you think they are...

ACT automates an activity without user interaction, but by data present in the game client's memory or network buffer, just like a bot does. A Keyboard/Mouse macro is initiated by the user without any data from the game being used to trigger it.

People doing texture swaps aren't exactly being under the radar when they post screenshots of their characters with them in the screenshot threads. Your keyboard macro is not different from ReShade either. ReShade changes the shaders loaded on the GPU, not the game.

The rules are written so they can be enforced against people who are ruining the game experience. The people who say they're using mods or ACT on the forum are the ones mocking SE, on their own site. The way the rules are written, any macro software, regardless if it comes with the keyboard and mouse, or AH/AI which is what all the crappy spam bots are made with are considered the same, but you're not using your keyboard macro to spam "buy gil" are you? You don't go fishing and catch all the fish in the lake. Did you not see the large uptick in account bans recently? Consider that GM's seem to hand out temporary bans for swearing in the game according to people on Reddit.

The point I've been making throughout this thread is that people being careless is what causes a crackdown, and there are a LOT of people being careless on the forum right now. Don't cry victim if one day management at FFXIV decides they've had enough, I've seen it happen in other games. In the same comment that Yoshi-P said he knows about these tools, he also said to not put a spotlight on it. Que Sera, Sera.

[Sebazy]

ACT automates an activity without user interaction

For the last time, no it does not. If you can't stay on topic then at least try to stay honest.

This is neither an intended use of ACT, nor is it an efficient use of it either. If you think gil sellers and fate grinders are running around using bots built around ACT, you are very sorely mistaken. Whilst yes, simple push a button when xyz appears in the chatlog style stuff is possible with an additional plugin, Regex gets very slow rather quickly making anything beyond that frankly pointless.

My Triumph has enough torque to pull a caravan, but I wouldn't do it because it's stupid and just not suited for the task. The same goes for ACT and the use cases you seem to insist it's designed for.