DPS Balance Thread

[HyperiusUltima]

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Yeah, someone got me confused on ceiling and floors, but in regards to the rest I managed to finish writing just brief summaries of the jobs and what I thought of them.

Regardless, I want to break the stupid chain that is DRG-BRD-MCH because of the fact that BRD/MCH's damage is heavily impacted by Disembowel. Without a DRG, BRD/MCH's damage is neutered by at least 300ish DPS, meaning that's more work for other jobs. This creates a big balance issue for rDPS; As much as rDPS is a thing, I don't believe it needs to be everything when it comes to balance otherwise we have the whole #DeleteMNK issue again. If anything I would wish that the development team would step out of Heavensward for a moment and start fixing its Raid Synergy problem in Stormblood because you have about 1 Job(RDM) that's used in progression meta, and about 3/9 jobs that get shanked for either not bringing enough raid utility or being a Solo DPS and are locked out of raids usually.

If the community was a bit more open about taking jobs instead of hopping on the bandwagon every god damn raid tier, it'd help a lot with giving feedback instead of trying to mime the World Firsts in everything.

[HyoMinPark]

Yeah, someone got me confused on ceiling and floors, but in regards to the rest I managed to finish writing just brief summaries of the jobs and what I thought of them.

It’s all good. ^^

Regardless, I want to break the stupid chain that is DRG-BRD-MCH because of the fact that BRD/MCH's damage is heavily impacted by Disembowel. Without a DRG, BRD/MCH's damage is neutered by at least 300ish DPS, meaning that's more work for other jobs.

I do agree that something needs to be done about piercing. Until something is done about it (either removing it, or giving it to another job to offer another synergy option for BRD/MCH), the physical meta is going to continue to reign supreme for groups that care about min-maxing and optimization. Since the developers have stated that they cannot give BRD/MCH their own piercing because “too OP” (yet they are more than happy to allow the two jobs to be “OP” with a DRG, and continue to enforce the DRG/BRD/MCH Trio to the detriment of other comps... /salt), I would opt for it to be removed entirely. Buff DRG’s potencies to compensate, since they will suffer from the removal of it, but now BRD/MCH doesn’t have to worry about losing 5% of their damage just because the melee want to be NIN/MNK instead of NIN/DRG.

I think it’s something probably only BRD and MCH mains can really understand, but it is a terrible feeling to know that you lose ~300 DPS along just from no Disembowel—more for lack of Litany on BRD (because crit scaling)—and there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it. To raid with a DRG, and then go to raiding without one, and seeing your damage just drop 400~500 DPS while knowing there is nothing you can do to help it is an incredibly crappy feeling. I speak from experience lol.


I think it is good that JP players were the ones to speak out against how much piercing affects comps and BRD/MCH’s damage, and I also think that it’s good they were quick to call crap on the excuse about giving piercing to BRD/MCH as impossible “because reasons”. SE listens to them more than they do the NA/EU side I feel, so maybe this will get them to consider other options for piercing resistance down.

Low tier - SAM/BLM

Your highest personal dmg classes but provide the least amount of buffs if any at at all, usually labaled persona non grata as they take up spots for classes who offered more which currently is at a higher value than classes who offered nothing...

This is true. However, some groups actually opt to sub out MCH for BLM/SMN, if the BLM or SMN is really good. Because BLM is in a spot now where it can finally push enough numbers to offset the loss of a MCH. Physical meta comps will still favor the top-tier four, but I’ve seen more uploads where the MCH is subbed out for a BLM or a SMN. Which is good, but the developers still need to address the DRG/BRD/MCH Trio, and the only way to do that is to address piercing resistance down. Nerfing it from 10% to 5% from Heavensward to Stormblood, I think, they thought would be an adequate solution. But it didn’t work, because the meta is still the same in Sigmascape as it was in Creator. Just two casters now happen to be able to squeeze their way in if they are good enough.

SAM on the other hand.......it needs a lot of help right now.

[Sylvain]

Yeah, someone got me confused on ceiling and floors, but in regards to the rest I managed to finish writing just brief summaries of the jobs and what I thought of them.

Regardless, I want to break the stupid chain that is DRG-BRD-MCH because of the fact that BRD/MCH's damage is heavily impacted by Disembowel. Without a DRG, BRD/MCH's damage is neutered by at least 300ish DPS, meaning that's more work for other jobs.

The opposite is also true, DRG contribution is also heavily dimishined when there are no BRD/MCH

And this is something people get confused a lot and even Y.P had to clarify recently.

BRD/MCH and balanced around having no DRG. Because Disembowel isn't their contribution, it's the DRG one.
On the other hand, DRG are balanced around having BRD/MCH because disembowel is part of their contribution. So from a balance (or, "job budget") persepective, bringing a DRG when there are no BRD/MCH is bringing a subpar dps because a big chunk of their rdps actually takes into account one contribution to BRD/MCH.
Which is why when people asked "could BRD/MCH get their own piercing debuff" Y.P replied that "they would need to nerf the job getting the debuff accordingly" because now the debuff would be part of their budget.

The same happens with BLM when people ask for utility (magic debuff), if they were to add such a debuff, BLM would receive a nerf somewhere to compensate.

Ultimately it doesn't change much in term of final result, but I wanted to point this out. A BRD/MCH without a DRG doesn't "loose" anything, because the debuff isn't part of their budget, the opposite isn't true. A DRG rdps budget takes into account disenbowel, if there are no BRD/MCH, their rdps contribution lowers.

Now we can argue wether this is right, wrong or even properly balanced, but the thing is, this is how S.E currently balances jobs. They take into account what they provide to the raid, and not what they benefit.