Introduce a new tank and make dark knight DPS again

[Saeno]

Can't we just get back the DRK 3.0?
There were less topic about the DRK during this time...

Replace DRK threads with PLD threads and that was HW. It wasn't much different, just a different flavor of complaints.

[Elixirboy]

Cuz ive mained it since it dropped in HW.....and played it almost exclusively since Ffxi's BETA many years ago...its been my main for over 10 years between 2 different mmos...Can u say the same?

I looked at your gear on the Lodestone.
I looked at the first 2 pages of your achievements.
You have not done Fractal Hard, but you did clear Hell's Lid.
You cleared Alexander 4 normal mode a year ago (summer 2015 content).
You have not touched Midas Normal/Creator Normal/Deltascape Normal/Sigmascape Normal.
You do not do any extreme primals.

All of this tells me that you barely play the game - yet you say that you main DRK since it dropped. While there is nothing wrong with any of this, I don't think you are a person that is capable of making a judgement on the current state of DRK. Based upon your gear, even if you knew how to play DRK in a 70 dungeon, you would be KO in 10 seconds or less if you tried a yolo pull in Hell's Lid.

[Kabooa]

The aesthetic of a job isn't based on mechanics, but is still one of the most important factors. Mechanically speaking, very little is different about the tanks, and aesthetics are arguably the most defining part about it.

That said, there's nothing wrong with Dark's Aesthetic. It's pretty damn good right now, but it just doesn't reflect that in the way it plays.

[Hierro]

All of this tells me that you barely play the game - yet you say that you main DRK since it dropped. While there is nothing wrong with any of this, I don't think you are a person that is capable of making a judgement on the current state of DRK. Based upon your gear, even if you knew how to play DRK in a 70 dungeon, you would be KO in 10 seconds or less if you tried a yolo pull in Hell's Lid.

AHAHAHA! Now that's quality research right there!

[Azerhan]

Replace DRK threads with PLD threads and that was HW. It wasn't much different, just a different flavor of complaints.

Can I be considering to be a negative player if I tell SE doesn't seem to learn the lesson?

I mean, there is only three tank in the game, I don't understand why they seem so similar and why everytime one is fixed, another is changed in a bad way...

[Saeno]

Can I be considering to be a negative player if I tell SE doesn't seem to learn the lesson?

I would say so because SE has done well to make tanks this expansion way more balanced than before. SB DRK isn't even remotely as bad as HW PLD.

I mean, there is only three tank in the game, I don't understand why they seem so similar and why everytime one is fixed, another is changed in a bad way...

Because they have one goal in mind with each patch in terms of role balance and sometimes they go overboard. The changes to DRK and WAR in 4.0 launch were extreme but WAR was fixed overtime and PLD was nerfed as needed. DRK hasn't received the attention it needed yet.

[Saeno]

I'd only go as far as saying that if SE does not substantially fix DRK then we are better off without it. That doesn't mean I think they should turn it in to a DPS (couldn't be that hard tbh, take off grit and remove enmity modifiers and it's 90% there) I just don't see how having a 3rd wheel gimpy ass tank benefits us as a community. It doesn't. Fix it or delete it.

#HotTakes

Same could be said for PLD in 3.0 yet here we are. Things can be fixed, and once they are it's always a boon for the game.

[WhyAmIHere]

Why not just make ALL jobs have red icons. Will y'all be happy then? >_>

[Luminarium]

wait, ppl thought pld 3.0 was trash? it was the easiest tank to play in raids
sure, dungeon content for pld was boring because your only aoe is an ogcd but being the tank class that can switch between offensive and defensive stance at any point of the fight was so good it made me hate grit
also the STR down on halone rotation

[Dualgunner]

wait, ppl thought pld 3.0 was trash? it was the easiest tank to play in raids
sure, dungeon content for pld was boring because your only aoe is an ogcd but being the tank class that can switch between offensive and defensive stance at any point of the fight was so good it made me hate grit
also the STR down on halone rotation

It's not that people thought it was trash as a whole; but from the perspective of its damage contribution to the party, it was definitely trash. The damage it brought compared to WAR and DRK was abysmal. Looking at your own parse pages in those tiers, even fights where you purpled on both WAR and PLD, your WAR clocked in anywhere between 200 and 300 DPS higher than your PLD, which is a pretty big difference for the time.