What is casual / hardcore player?

[MistyMew]

casual just wants everything handed to them. sure they might not have as much time as a hardcore player to work towards these things but dont cry and demand things to be easier so they can achieve the same goals as someone who puts in 10x more hours.

hardcore or casual everyone makes time to achieve personal goals they have in the game so if someone decides to put aside more hours than someone else they deserve more

you couldnt in anyway be more wrong lol

i think ppl are mistaken casual for the definition of "lazy" and hardcore for definition of "no lifers" <--100% wrong on both counts !!

me im casual.
that means i dont live in a game...i enjoy rl, have a rl, and a job and think of a game as entertainment. i could spend alot more time in ff but i CHOOSE not to. i like the game ...i dont live for it. i would love to do alot of end game but 99% of my ls quit at the start and tbh..i dont find most ppl all that friendly on the server (but thats another story). i like a challenge, i dont mind if things take me 3x as long as others to get done. i am in no way lazy nor want anything handed to me but i am also in no rush.

(aside) but on that note i dont think ANY game should make ppl have to play 24/7 for years to get something.
to me, that is what a rl is for, not a kiddy game. but thats just my opinion.

hardcore to me means those ppl who get very wrapped up in the game, the ones that must have everything, or collect everything, win everything in order to be happy or feel like they got their moneys worth. now i think thats a tad odd looking at things from an RN perspective (i deal with alot of ppl)....but if they happy being somewhat obsessed and they dont turn into an elitist..then thats fine by me. more power to em!!

hardcore players are not better, they are not more "skilled" (no game=rocket science folks..they are all very very basic to grasp), they simply are driven to complete all aspects of the game and make it happen sometimes at the cost of rl. however hardcore players arent always in the game huge amounts of time, there are some that are simply, very efficient and still very determined.

as for ff14 what i want is a game that helps both my style have fun and those that need alot more content faster.
we all pay, we will all stay if it happens for just as many years (hardcore/casual are equally loyal to a game)

[Lucifer]

That makes no sense. If you've ever done martial arts you'd know that there are people who only train an hour a day 3 time a week or so. People who just do it for fun or just to keep in shape. Would you consider them as "hardcore" who trains every day and travels and competes in tournaments? I know when i was doing those things I didn't have time to do much else.

People that don't take it seriously I suppose, but if you are serious about martial arts; you need to train everyday. It must become part of your life. One to two hours a day is all you need to develop your body, but it's more than just keeping your body in physical shape. You went around traveling and even took part in competitions. That's definitely hardcore but in my opinion, any form of martial arts; if practiced seriously, is hardcore.

My original point was step on the idea that "hardcore" is basically saying, "You have no life, no girlfriends, blah blah."
Not everyone is some multimillionaire that can spend their day in any matter they see fit.

[Rokien]

you couldnt in anyway be more wrong lol

i think ppl are mistaken casual for the definition of "lazy" and hardcore for definition of "no lifers" <--100% wrong on both counts !!

me im casual.
that means i dont live in a game...i enjoy rl, have a rl, and

...and I stopped right there. What do you mean you have a "real life" PRETTY SURE EVERYONE HAS A REAL LIFE, or we would be the dead! I mean, come on. I hate it when people say "Oh, you play video games all the time, get a life!" That's pretty much what I got from that "Have a rl". Please, I must be missing something with this "LIFE" definition. I would sure hope someone will explain to me what "LIFE" means.

Second, stop categorizing people! I consider my self a hardcore player, but I don't fit YOUR guy's description. I fit my own definition of hardcore. as I said in my other post in this thread. I have a job, got to school, only get on a few times a week, friends, family, etc... This game needs LONGER TYME-SYNCS!!!! I want to see the few really hardcore players have the only rare(relic) weapon for 3 years, before someone like me, and 6 years before a "HAVE A REAL LIFE" person. As someone said, there is no journey in this game. Lets just wipe all the content out in one day, because you CAN get everything in one day! What I mean is, all the gear and as some people like to say "Loot" *cringe*. Anyways, laters player haters wanna be skaters.

[Shneibel]

whoever say Hardcore player are not better doesn't have a slightly idea about hardcore so stop spew nonsense.

FYI: Hardcore player have a god damn life too, try to Drill this into your brain and try to separate them as well, not all hardcore play the same style. And Hardcore =/= mindless grind do not mix them.

[Velhart]

The difference between hardcore and casual is always several things. The common conception between the two is that hardcore players have more time to dedicate themselves to the game, and casuals do not put in as much time. One of the hardest things to do is balance the two out.

While I hate to bring WoW up, it will help bring my case out. I do believe WoW has almost perfected the hardcore/casual experience of their game with the recent 4.3 patch. Making a balance that you can do everything in a day, or play out in a week has helped those who can't put in the time hardcore plays, but can still take on the content at their own convenience with the Dungeon Finder and Raid Finder system. Changing it so you are limited to how many Valor Points you can get a week as opposed to their previous system of 70 VP a day and it resets, making you get on every night if you wanted to catch up with others.

The great thing in the end is that hardcore will get the best items first, but does not rule you out and you can get the same gear at a time of your convenience. I would say the only true disadvantage is you have to PUG with people.

I want FFXIV to go in this direction. I want to know I can be on the game at a time of my convenience, and still take on everything content has to offer. They already claimed a dungeon finder system was being put in place, so I already see them going in this direction. I believe they will eventually nail it on balance between the two. We just have to give it time for now.

Also, casual doesn't mean you are not better than a hardcore player skill wise. It is simply you can't dedicate time like hardcore can.

[KumaAkuma]

Casuals are about time management, Hardcores are about difficulty management. These aren't opposite ends of the spectrum.

[Lucifer]

Let me give you guys a good example:
Diablo 2 has Normal mode and Hardcore mode.
In normal mode, you play the game; get killed; respawn, and go at it once more.
In hardcore mode, you play the game; get killed, and you have to create a new character.

I'll say it again, not everything is about grinding.

[Venat]

There is Longer kinda content that requires groups.

Like FFXI had relic and relic weapons for dynamis. Sure causal players can get relic gear but the very hardcore will be getting a relic weapon.

Adding in 30min fight as a full amount of content doesn't help the game. There needs to be longer content period... and longer waiting periods to do them.

Right now the game is in a werid period where its still in development and cant focus on large base content. I dont see any real content coming until after 2.0. If they add anything large now they would have to do more work for them to readjust it after 2.0.

[Eva]

In my opinion it is about play time. I would categorize most players into 3 groups:

Casual player: Plays 2-3 hours 2-3 days a week.

Enthusiast (Casual Hardcore): Plays 3-8 hours 3-5 days a week.

Hardcore player: Plays 8+ hours a day 5-7 days a week.

Keep in mind there are very skilled casual players and very terrible hardcore players.

[fusional]

Sorry, what linked were honest and thought expression of a players opinion. Not "QQ threads" try again.

Just because someone has an opinion different than your's doesn't make it baseless whining. It's people like you who troll along and drag a thread down to that.

and just because they share your opinion and/or use the same avenues of expression doesn't mean it isn't baseless whining. tell me what's constructive about saying "you changed a class i play in a constantly changing world and in spite of us all voting for radical changes i don't like this particular change so give me an entirely free level 50 class for it due to my unfounded sense of entitlement"

seriously, take your time.

you can white knight these people all you want, call me a troll all you want, but you're just playing the deflect/project/shed the spotlight game that every other crying casual does when they're feeling the need to express their existential angst and don't know how.

i mean, look at all that substance in your reply vs. mine. i call you on your bluff, and this is all you've got?

sorry, but you're completely transparent "bro"

and for posterity's sake, here's an example of a constructive thread:
boom!

now compare that this guy right here. let me know when you see the difference.

I'm a bishonen and I love video games. I also consider myself hardcore.

wait, aren't you the guy that complained this game could be completed in a month? you've been playing more than a month. aren't you finished yet? strange definition of hardcore.