ARR/Heavensward Fishing RNG could use a nerf.

[Wintersandman]

I know of it, but I prefer using http://www.garlandtools.org/ffxivfisher/ (in combination with some of the info from ff14angler)

Besides, my point was that some of the weather requirements are ridiculously rare, and it couldn't hurt for them to at least ease on those.

Seeing how I got Shonisaurus without even trying, it isn't hard (I was going for Mahar and Shoni bit 3 times and hooked the 3rd). There are tools that are way too good now to tell you when a window is going to open and the next time it opens.

This website is way better than FFXIV Angler for tracking big fish.

http://ff14fish.carbuncleplushy.com/

[Nezerius]

Seeing how I got Shonisaurus without even trying, it isn't hard (I was going for Mahar and Shoni bit 3 times and hooked the 3rd). There are tools that are way too good now to tell you when a window is going to open and the next time it opens.

That's nice, but that's also one big fish out of the ~113 ARR ones (~112 if you want to exclude Little Perykos), so I'm not sure why you're pointing out that fish specifically, when there's other fish with a lower "uptime" (according to the link you've posted).

This website is way better than FFXIV Angler for tracking big fish.

http://ff14fish.carbuncleplushy.com/

Doesn't have a search option, doesn't have any desynth info (which I find useful, due to having CUL desynth leveled), doesn't allow me to check for catch rates on a fishing hole page, doesn't have the hooking data that ff14angler has (shows approximately how long it takes for a fish to bite), only has a general comment section, instead of each fish having a specific page with comments.

The last one is what really kills it for me. Without comments on Starbright, I wouldn't have known that using Stonefly Nymphs gives me a 100% catchrate on Abalathian Smelt, instead of using the suggested Syrphid Basket and still get Merlthor Goby bites during Patience buffs. I wouldn't have known that Little Perykos doesn't use the legendary tug, but a medium tug. I wouldn't have known that some big fish require Powerful Hookset, and some require Precision Hookset (when using Patience).

A better comparison to your website is the garlandtools link I've posted. And while your link incorporates the weather tool into its timers, I find the garlandtools one to be much easier on the eye, and allows me to view the big fish by area.

[Frizze]

Seeing how I got Shonisaurus without even trying, it isn't hard (I was going for Mahar and Shoni bit 3 times and hooked the 3rd). There are tools that are way too good now to tell you when a window is going to open and the next time it opens.

This is kinda like someone saying that because they got a rare drop(triad card, primal mount, minion, whatever) the first time they tried something that the RNG is fine. The guy still farming the thing 100+ runs later without seeing it yet will disagree with you. Some of the fish requirements are ridiculous(a few of the fish have weather patterns that only pop once or twice a month for a few minutes, and good luck being able to log in and fish at that exact time if you dont have a job where you can play at work/make your own hours).

[ZilianStoleMyMoney]

I have known people who haven't seen either Giant Takitaro or Mahar at all for a couple of years and they consistently fish when they can in the available windows. Mahar is the worse of the 2, because it requires mooching also, Giant Takitaro even with Patience 2 just.. even for me doesn't happen, and having an 8 hour window (ET) most of the time doesn't help.

Nepto is like the opposite, it semi reasonable to get the buff to catch him, but to actually reel him in is mind numbingly annoying because his escape rate is extremely high. But at least there is a chance lol

Kuno for me was the easiest of the 6 to catch, and that required 2 double mooching.

I will add though, they should make gathering and perception more useful in fishing, having it as a bar to have a specific amount to catch a specific fish and perception bar to start catching HQ fish can also be annoying. Perhaps whatever the gathering rate is to be able to catch say Nepto, for every 50 gathering after why not add a 1% catch rate. That way higher level fishing slightly pays off and feels like you are stronger in the job.

[Wintersandman]

A better comparison to your website is the garlandtools link I've posted. And while your link incorporates the weather tool into its timers, I find the garlandtools one to be much easier on the eye, and allows me to view the big fish by area.

I specifically said tracking. I used Shonisaurus as an example because it was a 4-5 mooch and I was going after Mahar. 4.8% uptime isn't that great and waiting on weather. I also caught all 5 other fish in the past 48 hours. GarlandTools is just a mess to navigate on mobile. The link I posted is specifically for tracking big fish. I use it in conjunction with FFXIV Angler. I am not looking to sort by region. I am looking for what is up, what is coming up, and what bait I need. It has yet to lead me down. It took me 9 windows to get Namitaro with 5 of those windows not even catching a Great Takitaro. There is a reason they call it fishing. If it was easy it would be called catching.

This is kinda like someone saying that because they got a rare drop(triad card, primal mount, minion, whatever) the first time they tried something that the RNG is fine. The guy still farming the thing 100+ runs later without seeing it yet will disagree with you. Some of the fish requirements are ridiculous(a few of the fish have weather patterns that only pop once or twice a month for a few minutes, and good luck being able to log in and fish at that exact time if you dont have a job where you can play at work/make your own hours).

What weather requirements pop only once or twice a month? I would really like to know. Also I don't get to set my hours, or play from work. I have a 8-5 m-f job so that doesn't really apply to me. Again it takes time and RNG is part of the game. Just learn to pray more. It's been this way from day 1 and continues to this day.

I still firmly believe that fishing is fine the way it is. I landed 17 big fish this weekend with primarily focusing on the Living Legends. It was a great time to catch up on anime.

[Erudito]

The only RNG nerf to fishing I would want are for the fish that are bound to a quest.

[Wintersandman]

The only RNG nerf to fishing I would want are for the fish that are bound to a quest.

I would agree to this except Feast of Famine due to it being side content and not job related. The title is something to work towards even though it has been severely nerfed due to the abilities from the expansions.

[Nezerius]

I specifically said tracking.

And I never said I was using ffxivangler for tracking. I use http://www.garlandtools.org/ffxivfisher/ for that.

I used Shonisaurus as an example because it was a 4-5 mooch and I was going after Mahar. 4.8% uptime isn't that great and waiting on weather.

Which only proves the point that some of the weather requirements are beyond silly. That said, Shonisaurus was a lot more annoying before the addition of Patience I/II.

I also caught all 5 other fish in the past 48 hours.

Congrats, good luck getting the other 150+ big fish.

GarlandTools is just a mess to navigate on mobile.

Since I play XIV on PC, I just have it open on my second monitor.

The link I posted is specifically for tracking big fish. I use it in conjunction with FFXIV Angler.

Then what was the point of suggesting it as a better tracking alternative to ffxivangler, when neither of us were using it to track big fish?

I am not looking to sort by region. I am looking for what is up, what is coming up, and what bait I need. It has yet to lead me down. It took me 9 windows to get Namitaro with 5 of those windows not even catching a Great Takitaro.

Personal preference, and garlandtools also shows what's up,what's coming up, and what bait you'll need.

There is a reason they call it fishing. If it was easy it would be called catching.

Please come back once you've caught fish like the Green Jester, or The Assassin, or any of the other big fish that end up getting away 9 out of 10 times.

I still firmly believe that fishing is fine the way it is.

And I believe that some of the big fish (not all of them) could use a nerf.

[Wintersandman]

And I never said I was using ffxivangler for tracking. I use http://www.garlandtools.org/ffxivfisher/ for that.

I never stated you did. I made a general statement about what i use for tracking. i quoted you because I think you need to get the sand out about how rare things are. If you actually had Patience then you would realize that this doesn't need a nerf. I personally enjoy the way it is because I don't mind camping a spot for 20-40 minutes. I will also get back to you on Green Jester and The Assassin. I have caught plenty of big fish that got away 9 out of 10 times. But it is the name of the game.

[Nezerius]

If you actually had Patience

Joke's on you, I got my "Of Dragons Deep" title during ARR, before the addition of Patience I/II/Mooch II. I'm also at 109/156 towards Go Big or Go Home XIII, with nearly all of them from ARR areas, but I'm taking a break from big fishing, since I feel like my time is better spent doing other things.

I personally enjoy the way it is because I don't mind camping a spot for 20-40 minutes. I will also get back to you on Green Jester and The Assassin.

The Green Jester has a 9 min fishing window, The Assassin has a 6 minute fishing window. For the record, the former got away 26 times before I finally caught it, the latter took 15 fishing windows to even take a bite (and I was lucky enough that it didn't get away). It's fish like these, along with some of ones with rare weather requirements, that should be looked at, most of the other ones are fine.