Help with Summoner

[FeliAiko]

I'm reading up on Summoner as well, and I may be jumping the gun a little bit, but how accurate would you say this "rotation" and opener is?

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[NewAgeDoom]

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I've really been doing it wrong. I've been popping Tri-Disaster before I go into DWT. Then again, I am only Level 60.

[FeliAiko]

I've really been doing it wrong. I've been popping Tri-Disaster before I go into DWT. Then again, I am only Level 60.

Assuming you mean that you use Tri-D, then spend AF stacks before going into DWT that's fine, because DWT causes the CD to reset.

[NewAgeDoom]

Assuming you mean that you use Tri-D, then spend AF stacks before going into DWT that's fine, because DWT causes the CD to reset.

I've been going - Bio > Miasma > Aetherflow > Painflare > Energy Drain > Fester > Tri-D > DWT > Ruin III Spam > Deathflare at this level.

[ChaoticCrimson]

I've been going - Bio > Miasma > Aetherflow > Painflare > Energy Drain > Fester > Tri-D > DWT > Ruin III Spam > Deathflare at this level.

For a single-target rotation, generally you want to start out with Ruin II, Tri-Disaster, then Fester, then alternate between R2, your OGCDs (like Rouse, Enkindle, etc.), R2 again, and then Fester when it comes off cooldown until you can go into your DWT. Fester is your bread and butter when it comes to single-target Aetherflow damage. Painflare is best used only for multiple mobs (and sometimes rarely to speed along to DWT), and Bane and Energy Drain are mostly situational. To help get the most out of timings, you'll see a lot of SMNs only using R3 three times before using Deathflare, and you can usually weave your renewed Tri-D after the first R3 here. As long as you had enough time pre-pull to have Aetherflow off cooldown, you'll be able to do R2 > Aetherflow > Fester > R3 > R2 > Fester > R3 >R2 > Fester >DWT > R3 x6 > Deathflare. Try to save the Tri-D from the second DWT until your DOTs have about 3-4 seconds left before falling off, which usually happens somewhere around the third or fourth R3 in the Trance. When you get Bahamut, this is generally where you'll have some downtime to manually refresh DOTs as needed and weave in OGCDs between your Ruin spells until Aetherflow comes off cooldown to get a few more Wyrmwaves in.

There's more to it of course, and your opening gets slightly more specific in raid situations, but for now just keep checking your guides to get a feel for the general rhythm of things. They'll probably explain it far better than I can on a forum post, but hopefully that helps a little bit with the basics.

[NewAgeDoom]

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I was just using those because I could go from one to the other, then immediately into Dreadwyrm. I was under the impression was to get into it as quickly as possible after each Aetherflow use.

But I'll definitely research into it further, Summoner seems like it has a lot of intricate little moving parts to its rotation.

[FeliAiko]

After ruin2 and tri-disaster (opener), isn't safer to do painflare, than fester? incase you fester too fast, and it doesn't register the dots fast enough

that is, if need to get in DwT fast in the opener, and you intend to use painflare eitherway in the opener

The issue with Fester is addressed by incorporating Swiftcast into the Opener, i.e. Ruin II + Swiftcast > Tri-D + Ruin III > Fester + PF. If doing a pet swap opener, then you replace the Ruin III with Summon I/II.

The instant cast Ruin III/Summon will allow enough time for the DoTs to register so that your Fester gets the full potency.