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  1. #411
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    Paladinleeds's Avatar
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    Nomfur Farredzasyn
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    Omega
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilseph View Post
    Yeah, it's not hidden, but it's an alt account.
    Ah yeah got you. I wonder why they've thrown an alt character in instead of the main though? Since technically, it's going to cause people to devalue what they have to say.

    As for me, I'm mostly neutral on this. Won't use it myself (don't think it's worth it), but decided it's best not to try and dictate what others do.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

  2. #412
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    Lilseph's Avatar
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    Shadow Link
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    Mateus
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    Ah yeah got you. I wonder why they've thrown an alt character in instead of the main though? Since technically, it's going to cause people to devalue what they have to say.

    As for me, I'm mostly neutral on this. Won't use it myself (don't think it's worth it), but decided it's best not to try and dictate what others do.
    It's alright. I don't consider it a big deal myself. Maybe they got banned? Maybe they are using an alt account to be a butt on the forums and get away with it? I don't have idea. The issue with not revealing your info might be that they can straight lie about "their experience"; in this case as a crafter, just to enrich their argument.
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    Last edited by Lilseph; 04-26-2018 at 12:22 AM.

  3. #413
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    My goodness, you are still here. Never say die, huh? Right to the bitter end.

    Y'know, most people who protest don't continue to come back to the same product that they dislike for the sole purpose of arguing with everyone disagreeing with terms, your own words, or...I dunno...I dunno why you keep coming back. I don't pay your sub.

    ...oh but wait, neither do you.
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  4. #414
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    Melichoir's Avatar
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    Desia Demarseille
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post

    I think enabling someone to literally own the market board is more "power" then giving someone +10000 to your primary stat. One lets you solo savage... who cares? while the other leads to making people miserable.

    You stating this only shows your bias and skewed views. "Only battle content matters" I do not think so.
    Making people miserable isnt winning the game. People just think youre a butt. Am I winning the game if I go into a PF for Shinryu or Byakko EX clears and just troll? I mean, that does make people miserable. And btw, there are currently no players that can realistically 'own' the MB. Why? Because so long as someone does teh buy out method, they cannot own teh MB.

    If I put a sword on teh MB for 10k, and you put one up for 9k (undercutting me), I can either adjust my price to UC you, or buy you out and repost at 10k to keep costs high. The trouble, however, is if I undercut you, Im not getting the price I want initially (though I am getting the sale). This also means that the other person can screw with me but putting the value so low that it either forces me to BO or UC. So if I post for 10k, and you post for 2k, If I want that 10k, I need to BO you, and repost at 12k if I want to keep that profit margin, or 10k if I want to maintain a market dominance. If I UC you, I lose out on around 8k of potential profit. Because the MB is built around the entire player base, keeping a strategic dominance on items that generally fall in value over time due to they becoming more frequent, Constant monitoring and BO/UC isnt a 100% hyper efficient system of making money. Not to mention, that the person who you BO makes a profit at your expense, and if you compete wtih them on price, it benefits the consumer market at large by driving down prices via competition. The APP doesnt provide you with a great advantage in that context, because youre gambling REAL cash against controlling a market where average john and jane and mess with your profit margins by UC at no cost. And make no mistake, it IS a gamble. Youre not guaranteed GIL.
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  5. #415
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    Rinuko's Avatar
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    Lele Inoch
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    Zodiark
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    My goodness, you are still here. Never say die, huh? Right to the bitter end.

    Y'know, most people who protest don't continue to come back to the same product that they dislike for the sole purpose of arguing with everyone disagreeing with terms, your own words, or...I dunno...I dunno why you keep coming back. I don't pay your sub.


    ...oh but wait, neither do you.
    'specially when they said they was gonna stop posting cause they unsub lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilseph View Post
    Yeah, it's not hidden, but it's an alt account.
    I don't really understand why hiding behind a alt account. They want to be a ass or troll on forum? Then own up to it instead of hiding behind a alt account.

    I'm no angel. I can be salty, troll and be a ass time to time if it's justified. I am however not hiding behind alt accounts on forums or any other plattforms.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post

    And once you have enough gils to buy everything you need, gils are worthless. And any serious farmer can earn enough gils to buy new items every time they're released, and nobody cares how many gils other people have so there's no competitive aspect of it.
    Pretty much this. Currently i own 2 larges on two different servers. I have hundreds of million gil on my characters combined and i enjoy making gil but i have literally nothing to spend it on. So i won then? lol

    We get new crafting gear and tier in next patch but to what end, cycle goes around. We make new gear, pentameld again and make gil back from that investment.
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    Last edited by Rinuko; 04-26-2018 at 03:56 PM.

  6. #416
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    Reynhart's Avatar
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinuko View Post
    So i won then? lol
    If your registration on the forum is the same as when you started the game, I'd say there probably were gillionaires or even people with capped gils before you even start, so, if this were a race, I'd say you lost from the very beginning
    Which is another reason why seeing "gil making" as a competitive goal is meaningless in the first place.
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 04-26-2018 at 04:17 PM.

  7. #417
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    Lele Inoch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    If your registration on the forum is the same as when you started the game
    I've been playing since beta but yes i didn't register on forums until 2015.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    I'd say there probably were gillionaires or even people with capped gils before you even start, so, if this were a race, I'd say you lost from the very beginning
    Which is another reason why seeing "gil making" as a competitive goal is meaningless in the first place.
    Damn! Can I at least get a consolation prize? Please?
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  8. #418
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    Avatre's Avatar
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    Avatre Drakone
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    Cactuar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    If your registration on the forum is the same as when you started the game
    That join date is very bad at determining anything regarding someone's start date of playing the game. I started playing in first quarter 2015, only joined the forums mid 2017 because I honestly didn't have much need of the forums at that point(started getting bored at work more often so I joined up here).
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  9. #419
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avatre View Post
    That join date is very bad at determining anything regarding someone's start date of playing the game.
    I know, that's why i said "if". This was only to point the fact that, unless you start the game at the very beginning, you'll almost always find someone with more gils than you, just because that person started sooner and was dedicated on making gils, killing any chance of competition.

    And if you take into account the Legacy players, there probably were gillionaires even before ARR was released.
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  10. #420
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    Avatre Drakone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    I know, that's why i said "if".
    Not going to lie...completely missed that if in the statement you made.


    This was only to point the fact that, unless you start the game at the very beginning, you'll almost always find someone with more gils than you, just because that person started sooner and was dedicated on making gils, killing any chance of competition.

    And if you take into account the Legacy players, there probably were gillionaires even before ARR was released.
    Which to some people might matter, but to me(since I'm not into crafting - for now...slowly working on that) someone else having more gil than me is like water off a ducks back. Eventually what I want will do one of two things: price will drop because it's not selling or I will have enough gil to buy it at the price that it is selling at. Hell, it took me a few months before I got the Hannish Wool top, all because I sold what my retainers brought back from ventures and that's about it.
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