Ninja confuses me

[Shamox]

https://www.mooglemedia.com/nin-guide/
Just go straight to the TCJ part.

[wereotter]

https://www.mooglemedia.com/nin-guide/
Just go straight to the TCJ part.

The guide reinforces what I said. TCJ used to execute Fuma > Katon > Doton is higher potency as soon as you get two ticks of Doton on the enemy than Fuma > Raiton > Suiton.

It also addresses that using Bhavacakra under trick attack is a DPS increase, something you can’t do if you spent your ninki to execute trick attack.

[Shamox]

You simply don't understand what clipping is nor how optimizing ninja works.
Also, fyi there are situation where you can setup TA with TCJ and get a bhava in the very same TA.

Fuma > Katon > Doton is higher potency as soon as you get two ticks of Doton on the enemy than Fuma > Raiton > Suiton.

No.
You want a full duration Doton to really make it worth, missing 1 tick will reduce the gain and missing 2 almost means a loss.

[wereotter]

Here's the thing your guides miss.... yes you clip your GCD by 1 second which in a normal raid means you'll miss maybe 3 GCDs. So yes, that adds up, I get it. But what you're gaining by doing what I said is being able to execute your second most powerful OGCD every trick attack which means over the course of a 9-10 minute fight the difference is only about 100 potency between the two in favor of your method before calculating in the increase in using TCJ to execute Fuma > Katon > Doton, which adds back 350 potency back in favor of my method.

So ultimately it would be more a question of how much does the boss move, it would seem, then a simple one method is right and the other is wrong.

[Maero]

I could be missing what you are all talking about but i have only ever used doton for groups of enemies and never single targets.
I could admit i am a Nin noob as said previously i have always been a caster and just used Nin for Expert Roulettes in the past, this time around i have had to learn Nin to raid, lol

[FeliAiko]

TA setup via TCJ is a matter of efficiency, since it means not having to manually cast Suiton, which minimises clipping and in turn frees up that Mudra on Fuma/Raiton instead. As for getting Bhava under TA it's still possible even with a TCJ TA setup. An early example of it can be seen here: https://whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3aMWXrPvzg

[Exiled_Tonberry]

TA setup via TCJ is a matter of efficiency, since it means not having to manually cast Suiton, which minimises clipping and in turn frees up that Mudra on Fuma/Raiton instead. As for getting Bhava under TA it's still possible even with a TCJ TA setup. An early example of it can be seen here: https://whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3aMWXrPvzg

I'm not a Ninja, but please don't delay your trick attack that long in a actual raid setting >.>

[FeliAiko]

I'm not a Ninja, but please don't delay your trick attack that long in a actual raid setting >.>

There's no TA delay with a TCJ setup. You TCJ when TA is around 14s, do 4 GCDs (a AC/AE/SF combo + SE) then TA.

[Makeda]

As someone who usually prefers support-based classes (regardless of role) I can see your concerns. Most of my more favored classes (especially in more faster paced environments) are usually a range type class. Being a melee is usually always more dangerous as usually you have more things to worry about.

I've always preferred melee support and melee healers.

As the now removed fistweaver monk of WoW showed - I'm not alone. It was amazingly popular, but ranged support players demanded and succeeded in getting it removed from the game on the insistence that despite them already having 4 other ranged healers, they wanted our ONLY choice to be theirs also... The monks there can now still melee - but it does nothing for them but kill time when nobody needs your real abilities, which are now all ranged.

We usually don't get any offerings from MMOs. And even here - we melee support/healer players have at best, WHM if you play it highly offensively (Holy and Assize being melee ranged abilities).

Ninja gives me melee support... and I only recently figured this out (I've mostly tanked in this game on my Mi'qote character, my Hyur has had Ninja for ages but I'd not played it past unlocking until recently).

I can't stand being at range. It just drives me nuts... so I'm glad for Ninja - it feeds the 'buzz' I've not had a good class for since playing the now long dead City of Villains / Heroes... You can sorta get melee support out of Guild Wars 2, but it's not the same in a game where nobody really needs support...

I just hope ranged support players here don't ever start a campaign to have Ninja removed like they did to us in WoW... Not likely, different community and such... but I'm still sour over that and it's been years... I DO SEE the occasional other WoW convert in here campaigning to have support removed from Ninja on the ground that it's not a "real rogue"... as if Blizzard somehow was the source of the dictionary definition of rogue... Thus far I'm glad to see they usually get ignored.


The fact that on Ninja I have to stay mobile, I have to position in and out of things, and I have to constantly shift around to get to the rear of targets - this is a LARGE PART of the appeal. I get bored on stationary platform classes. I also have a Bard, and I set my Bard aside for the entire lifespan of Heavensward... I was contemplating deleting the alt that I leveled Bard on when the Stormblood changes were announced... Again I don't like ranged - but at least I don't have to platform with Bard. I move around constantly even if it's pointless to be doing so... doing so keeps me mentally engaged and situationally aware.

[Makeda]

https://www.mooglemedia.com/nin-guide/
Just go straight to the TCJ part.

Oh thanks. Been looking for something like this. My Ninja is level 67... I've got what I've used in leveling down pretty well... but I needed a good guide as I transition into playing the job more seriously now that I've realized how much I like it.