Ninja confuses me

[wereotter]

You're supposed to setup as many tricks as possible using TCJ suiton.
You don't want to delay trick attack though.

This doesn't seem right.

Using Ten>Chi>Jin means that you're using a total potency of 780 prior to executing a Trick Attack, using Jin>Ten>Chi is a total potency of 850. Add onto that by not using Ten>Chi>Jin to set up trick attack you get to add another 600 potency attack to your Trick Attack window.

[HiroKirito]

I feel much more involved in playing it vs just hitting buttons when they go off CD in a set rotation. I actually have to think about how to best use the class' mechanic based on the situation rather then trying to fit everything in a set rotation.

Sure in dngs you have to be smart about mudra use depending on mob vs single target situations but at endgame ninja has to TA consistently on CD and has the highest casts per minute out of any job. Ninjas job is literally the opposite of what you've just described, you have to plan TA, use the burst effectively and press as many buttons per minute as humanly possible, sounds like you'd much prefer a priority/proc job like rdm or bard. Sure ninja has an element of this with mudra but in single target fights it's just fuma, fuma, suiton on a 60 second rotation (ignoring tcj and kasatsu).

[Malkria]

Sure in dngs you have to be smart about mudra use depending on mob vs single target situations but at endgame ninja has to TA consistently on CD and has the highest casts per minute out of any job. Ninjas job is literally the opposite of what you've just described, you have to plan TA, use the burst effectively and press as many buttons per minute as humanly possible, sounds like you'd much prefer a priority/proc job like rdm or bard. Sure ninja has an element of this with mudra but in single target fights it's just fuma, fuma, suiton on a 60 second rotation (ignoring tcj and kasatsu). .

I disagree...as RDM works off procs just like MCH does. Which isn't bad, but that doesn't mean you adapt to the situation. Yes if you have a single target, like a boss, you of course use a different set of skills vs using mobs. Which wasn't my point. My point is by having to key in skills as I need them using the ninja's mechanics I feel much more like I am playing a game vs punching in for a job. Same with the AST and deciding which card to use, when to build for effect, place into the arcana, or just discard. Using ninjitsu as the situation needs it just feels more interactive then simply hitting another button off CD like most of the classes. It's subtle, but I think that is what is selling me on ninja vs say the SAM or even the MCH...and I actually like the MCH, mostly.

Thogh 'press as many buttons per minute as humanly possible' is more of playing a healer. Especially with tanks that like to pull big but either don't have the skill, gear, or both to pull it off. Which of course is MY fault somehow when they die even though I literally have used every CD and trick at my disposal to avoid it. Playing ninja so far has been a vacation compared to healing in this game.

[Shamox]

Ninja is all about awareness and seeing what's coming next.
You get to swap around elements of your rotation which pretty much allows you to play as you wish in any situation.

[Kaimishi]

Don't worry about ninja. The reason why you don't find encounter much of them in pf is because they're recruited instantly in groups. So, go for it if you love it.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Actually, the reason you don't see Ninja's around is because most of them are already in statics lol. You'd be hard pressed to find a static that doesn't run with a Ninja, they basically have had the 1st melee slot locked to them since HW.

[FeliAiko]

Actually, the reason you don't see Ninja's around is because most of them are already in statics lol. You'd be hard pressed to find a static that doesn't run with a Ninja, they basically have had the 1st melee slot locked to them since HW being added in Patch 2.4.

Fixed that for you.

Thank you for this info. What is this balance discord? Not sure i have heard of it, lol

Here: https://discord.gg/CjQkEn3

[Okamimaru]

You don't see ninja because... theyre... ninjas... it's kinda their shtick

[Malkria]

You don't see ninja because... theyre... ninjas... it's kinda their shtick

...What does that say about monks? Because those are about as rare as rare gets from what I've seen. >.>

And Bard/MCH.

But honestly just play what you like. You'll play much better on a job you're comfortable with, and you'll still find plenty of parties. Just not speedruns, they'll lock you out sadly.

Yeah that is the only thing I don't like about this game. I don't do the party finder mainly because I get enough elitism and snobbish behavior at work. I don't need it in my mmos, and if I ever got kicked from a group because of a parser or class I like play...It would probably kill one of the only two nights I get to enjoy the game.

What happened to playing a game for the social and fun of it over bragging rights?

[Neela]

So I have to ask are ninjas not strong in end-game or something? Because honestly either i'm blind or I hardly see rogues in dungeons or raids. Not nearly as bad as monks, but they seem about as rare as machinists.

So is there some major reason you don't see many in the ques? Or am I just worried for nothing?

Yeah that is the only thing I don't like about this game. I don't do the party finder mainly because I get enough elitism and snobbish behavior at work. I don't need it in my mmos, and if I ever got kicked from a group because of a parser or class I like play...It would probably kill one of the only two nights I get to enjoy the game.

What happened to playing a game for the social and fun of it over bragging rights?

I totally can feel ya... running with a mid core static which is trying to find their way to hardcore - im more or less the only one of my grp who doesn't care numbers, bis, grp comps etc. that much. I get discussions here and there why not giving the 110% in endgame but I do – just not in "raiding"... the main problem asking for job qualities is that the community usually defines "endgame" by raiding, so if people like you ask for cls/systems/skills/qualities most of them will answer based on raid-relavance. That being said like everybody else mentioned before Nins popularity in "endgame" is grp support: nearly every real static got his own private Nin cause its the base of your grp-overall dmg.

Looking at pve that advantage decreases a lot, cause no other content need that kind of grp synergy and the fact alone that you can't plan your buffs in detail with randoms like you can with your static makes the cls less relevant out of raiding.

...but like Exil said just play what ever you like most especially in pve - I played Nin in HW pve and it was hella fun, tried it for raiding and failed pretty hard... Nins are 2 different worlds for me in both endgames. For me its hella fun to jump around like Hemmy on coke totally free swapping between mudras and melee combos all the time in dngs, primal farming, fates etc yaahh - its refreshing & fast and you can spontaneously react to nearly every situation...

...but being the core of your raiding-grps overall dmg, focusing more on timed trick attacks and smoke, always using the strongest mudras (wayne all the others...) and stacking to fix positions cause of massiv aoe-phases/mechanics was like putting its spirit & character in chains... and was killing everything I love about this cls : /

so yeah its up to you if your Ninja goes for your endgame or theirs ^^