Stop with the pay to win advanages for retainers, suggestions on fixes

[Vstarstruck]

So, as I said earlier, it is actually a discussion about mechanics and semantics. If they got rid of retainer market privileges and just made it by character or by account, you could still make more characters or more accounts. So "power" would always be sold regardless; it's only a question of how tedious/time-consuming it would be. What seems to have been the straw that broke the camel's back for you is just that the app makes it faster/more convenient than the in-game means, plus Square Enix is marketing this point specifically,and so you feel like people who want to be competitive on the market are being "provoked" into spending on the app. So, it's about the "accessibility" and "ease" of the specific mechanics and how obvious/blatant they are doing the "upsell." This is honestly what most "pay to win" discussions boil down to, in the end.

Even after explaining it to you, you still miss the point. It has nothing to do with convenience. It has to do with productivity. The difference with the app and not having the app is HUGE for career crafters, and all the career crafters that post here say the same thing, this app and P2W system is very problematic to their enjoyment, where that top 1% of 1% (very few people, as in 1 per server if that) will full out abuse it. (Claiming to have xyz leveled or being an "omicrafter" has no baring in being a career crafter. some people play this game spending all thier time crafting , gathering, and making gil cuz that is what they find fun. Just because you have little interest in something does not mean there is no P2W because "it doesn't effect anything" These are the people that still collect gil even after having a retainer or three with cap gil.)

As you put it, this discussion boils down to, do not put pay to win in a sub game, no matter the form, the end.

Name one thing that I can only get from spending gil on the market boards that would require me to amass huge quantities of gil? I'll wait...

IT DOES NOT MATTER! how do people not understand some people like making gil just to do so?!!?!?!? this app harms those people by a great deal. Other career crafters have said the same thing here, one having 107+ likes on the post. STOP!! arguing semantics over the word WIN (When you start talking about what you buy for gil and how it "does not matter" it is only done because you want to ague what win means)

I am getting sick of SE putting a price tag ontop of things you're already paying for. I don't think it's the worst thing in the world to have the mogstation by any means and I'm glad if that money can be funneled back into the game in order to increase its quality. However, over time I'm beginning to see more and more items added directly to the mogstation with no way to earn it in-game. The prices keep increasing by ridiculous amounts (seriously, $12 USD for that stupid mega flare? What?) and all the while, I'm not seeing any drastic improvements to the game that I wouldn't have expected them to do by default in the first place. Where are the better graphics? Where are the quality of life changes? Why can I still not search FC's in a list to decide which I want to apply for? Why can I not choose a minimum price before aetheryte tickets are consumed? Why do I not have enough space for all of my gear despite already paying for additional retainers? Why can't I put mogstation items in the armoire? Why was the glamour dresser this convoluted system rather than a SIMPLE and easy to use system that we had been asking for? Why do textures still look like shit? Why can I only pick between FOUR preset face options for my character? Why can't I change the eye color of my character at the aesthetician despite them saying initially before it was released that we'd be able to? And why can Aura change their limbal ring color if eye color is too "far fetched" to be changed (contacts though?)? Why is Eureka so damn buggy?

And now, you're telling me that on top of all of this.... On top of paying for the base game, expansions, monthly sub and overpriced mogstation items... they want to add in microtransactions for a mobile app that will give those who pay the monthly fee to use it an advantage over those who dont? I'm getting so fed up with this. I LOVE crafting. I LOVE "market board PVP". You already have to pay extra every MONTH for additional retainers if you really want to be relevant in that and now there's this...?? Ugh.

Did I mention that they also have symphonies and an overpriced themed Eorzea Cafe which makes them a lot of money?

I have so much respect for the development team. Seriously, if you look into the history of this MMO it is by far the most fascinating history of any MMO to date. What they did was miraculous and I have nothing but respect for them and I think they deserve to make money off this game but come on. This is reaching EA levels of gross. Does SE really want to have the kind of backlash that EA has been subjected to lately???? They are spending too much time and money on these cash grabs than they are on the game itself and I'm getting really disheartened. At this point it's beginning to feel like a F2P...but it's not. :/

When the mogstation was first released, I was a bit angry. But I understood that this game had initially cost the company a lot of money and strife so I accepted it. And it's just the way the world works today, so fair enough. But now? Square, I'd rather pay $20 a month to have access to everything than to keep this cashgrab bullshit going on.

Haven't posted before, but had to chime in because the hysteria is real. Isn't 'literally own the market board' a bit hyperbolic?

with this app? the fact I know someone that could do 3200 slots (duo box accounts both with 8 chrs x 10 retainers) no, not at all I am being dead serious when I say someone can control the MB (well all the things of value anyway, picture a resource limited glam, like company hat a few weeks ago being tied with glam weekly) with this app and 10 retainers, x 8 chrs. As I said It will be limited, maybe 1 per server if that (though be amusing if 2 happen be on the same server) It is only question will someone actually do it. The ability to do so with the app is there, only a question if someone will do it (the person I know is not going to due to moral reasons, for example)

Yes it is logically not worth it, what do you think my point was a few posts ago? Some people throw money around doing crazier things then this, so the possibility is defiantly there.

My point it should not be POSSIBLE AT ALL! do not enable such a thing. You shouldn't have pay to win stuff like this esp in a subscription model!

Yay the fearmongering continues. Going to get the app, going to tell others my benefits and advocate for it. Will even go the extra mile to rate it in the app store. I am so stoked for additional connectivity to this game I love.

No it is not, career crafters don't want this in the game. Wonderful, you like screwing over people with different tastes then you.