Stop with the pay to win advanages for retainers, suggestions on fixes

[Jandor]

Was said when they introduced the cash shop and no, premium plan isnt p2w.

Kinda is a bit though.

[Rinuko]

Kinda is a bit though.

Is MSQ skip, Job level and extra retainers p2w too then? lol

[RojGardoth]

Anyone claiming that the sky is falling clearly doesn't have a very good understanding of the atmosphere.

[RiyahArp]

Is MSQ skip, Job level and extra retainers p2w too then? lol

the extra retainers are p2win if your goal is crafting barony and gil making yes. That's never in doubt. We don't complain about it because gil is not necessary in this game, and crafting barony doesn't lock people out that much. You actually can't complete one of the challenge logs without at least one extra retainer; the 18 hour time frame of the retainer mission would require you to plan incredibly exactly to get it.

The p2win for the other things, no. I think you can be concerned at just how much optional content is being locked behind paying rl money for; a tremendous amount of glamour is such, and there's zero way to earn many mounts in game. You also can't miss a season event in this game ever, since they won't repeat many of them; the summer bikinis are a very galling example, since there are 6 of them in different colors.

[Rinuko]

Yes gil is clearly p2w. I totally agree. /s

[RiyahArp]

Yes gil is clearly p2w. I totally agree. /s

uhh...why are you so dismissive? The only reason it isn't is because SE trivialized it. If gil ever gets important in any real way, those retainers are a big p2w over others, as would be the ability to have 24-7 access to the market board without needing to be in game. They still are p2w for a small section of the playerbase. Its just that it doesn't effect 99% of us.

[Rinuko]

uhh...why are you so dismissive?

It's called being sarcastic towards anyone thinking gil is p2w. (/s means sarcasm).

If gil ever gets important in any real way, those retainers are a big p2w over others

Big if. We don't know if gil ever will be important besides housing/cosmetics.

[Jandor]

Is MSQ skip, Job level and extra retainers p2w too then? lol

Yeah pretty much, that last one especially.

Virtually every online game has some p2w in it these days, just different folks have different tolerances for it.

[Vstarstruck]

Was said when they introduced the cash shop and no, premium plan isnt p2w.

I'd like a link to an exact quote..

the extra retainers are p2win if your goal is crafting barony and gil making yes. That's never in doubt. We don't complain about it because gil is not necessary in this game, and crafting barony doesn't lock people out that much. You actually can't complete one of the challenge logs without at least one extra retainer; the 18 hour time frame of the retainer mission would require you to plan incredibly exactly to get it.

The p2win for the other things, no. I think you can be concerned at just how much optional content is being locked behind paying rl money for; a tremendous amount of glamour is such, and there's zero way to earn many mounts in game. You also can't miss a season event in this game ever, since they won't repeat many of them; the summer bikinis are a very galling example, since there are 6 of them in different colors.

this, I do not know why this is hard to understand, and why Rinuko insists in spaming sarcastic posts to mock me with the rude comment on the bottom with each time they post.

Yeah pretty much, that last one especially.

Virtually every online game has some p2w in it these days, just different folks have different tolerances for it.

yeah, when retainers where new, I thought it was just a temp fix, to collect money to truly address the problem or whatever. Feel so native, we most likely should been backlashing it then, but then again someone did try(though more at the mog station in general)

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...icial-response.

Yeah I def think having more of an official response is valid.

[Callinon]

I'd like a link to an exact quote..

It was at one of the NA FanFests just before the cash shop went live. I don't remember which one exactly but I remember him sitting on the stage and saying, in English, "no pay to win."

That being said, Yoshi P says a lot of things.