The reason I stay subbed....

[Vstarstruck]

I'm not really sure what the point was here. Pretty standard practise. Wow charges €45 for their new expansion which is around same what Stomblood went for.

Wow also have a cashshop and monthly sub.

Difference is Wow Legion app isnt behind a paywall. I guess we'll have to see what they do with their new expansion if they drop a new/refreshed app.



I have no idea what a whale is in this context nor going to bother to research it.

Do you think i want to spend money for this?
- No.

Is it going to make me throw in my towel like so many others and unsub?
- Uh nope. I still have a lot of fun and get enjoyment out of my €12,99.

Do i see the value and it justify me to spend money for the premium?
- Yes it does. I can totally benefit from able to use it as a crafter.

Do you like being ripped off? That "premium" you are already paying for when you buy the game, the expansions, and the sub. Do not forget you pay a months fee? SE is trying to change people twice for the same thing, that concept is why I unsubbed because they are only going to push till more blacklash happens in more major media outlets.

Also 1 does not match with 3, if you saw value in it, you want to pay for it then.

Wow does not add shady sub on top of sub, on top of sub fees do they (retainer fee = sub, retainer on top of premium sub, only to access another sub cost)

I'll even spend the premium price for the features cause they actually will be a great convenience for me as a omnicrafter/gatherer.

No, you are taking part in Pay to win. (Paying for an advantage that is needed over people only paying base sub) That person calling you a whale is fitting, you wave unlimited amount of money around just to get what you want. It is very damaging to the majority of the playerbase, giving game companies ammo to please a few minority over the majority taxing higher costs where it is not warranted, because those select few have enough money to throw around.

[MageBlack]

Do you like being ripped off? That "premium" you are already paying for when you buy the game, the expansions, and the sub. Do not forget you pay a months fee? SE is trying to change people twice for the same thing, that concept is why I unsubbed because they are only going to push till more blacklash happens in more major media outlets.

Also 1 does not match with 3, if you saw value in it, you want to pay for it then.

Wow does not add shady sub on top of sub, on top of sub fees do they (retainer fee = sub, retainer on top of premium sub, only to access another sub cost)

No, you are taking part in Pay to win. (Paying for an advantage that is needed over people only paying base sub) That person calling you a whale is fitting, you wave unlimited amount of money around just to get what you want. It is very damaging to the majority of the playerbase, giving game companies ammo to please a few minority over the majority taxing higher costs where it is not warranted, because those select few have enough money to throw around.

This "pay to win" has been in the game then since the inception of 2.0. If you pay more, you can have 8 chr's per server instead of one, a pay advantage. If you spend 1$ more a month you can get an extra retainer slot for all characters, a pay advantage. If I want to skip the story mode, I can buy a jump potion, pay to win. If I want to skip my level up to 60(?) I can buy a jump potion, pay to win. Why is this all of a sudden so egregious? Why is this such a surprise? This is exactly what was predicted in the threads back in 2014 where people complained about the cash shop.

PS: I noticed all the rage about eureka seems to have taken a back burner, as will this. So stop poisoning other people threads by taking them off topic (A complaint you leveled many times in one of your own threads.)

[Talraen]

...That person calling you a whale is fitting, you wave unlimited amount of money around just to get what you want. It is very damaging to the majority of the playerbase, giving game companies ammo to please a few minority over the majority taxing higher costs where it is not warranted, because those select few have enough money to throw around.

I want to step in and talk about whales for a second. A quick definition for those who don't know: whales are a small portion (generally less than 1%) of a free-to-play game's audience who account for the vast majority (90%+) of the game's revenue. A lot of F2P games exist by targeting whales and extracting as much money as they can from them.

Vstarstruck, you are very much misunderstanding the relationship between whales and companies making games. They aren't catering to them because they want to reward big spending, they are trying to extract value from them through addictive gameplay elements. The people who benefit from whales are other players, because whales subsidize everyone else's ability to play for free. Without whales, the free to play model is much more difficult (though not impossible) to pull off.

Whales aren't really a thing in this sense in FFXIV. Because everyone is paying at least $10/month, even buying every single thing in the Mog Station isn't going to account for the level of revenue whales typically account for. $5/month does not a whale make. If you assume 1% of players pay $34/month ($13 for sub + $5 for app + $16 for retainers), while everyone else pays $10/month (legacy sub), then the 1% would then account for a whopping 3.3% of overall revenue. If that 1% also spent $107,000 per person per year on the Mog Station, then they'd account for 90% of the revenue. That's a lot of dye purchases.

[Remyogic]

That person calling you a whale is fitting, you wave unlimited amount of money around just to get what you want. It is very damaging to the majority of the playerbase, giving game companies ammo to please a few minority over the majority taxing higher costs where it is not warranted, because those select few have enough money to throw around.

Dude, if paying an extra $5.00 a month makes someone a whale in your view, you need to take your un-sub thread seriously, stop playing video games altogether, and re-think the life choices you made that put you into such extreme poverty. $5 a month does not make a whale. I know of people in Puzzles and Dragons that spent $10k on the game last year alone, and are considered "borderline" by that games "whale community".

Most people who aren't eternally bad with their money can afford the extra $5 off the interest in their bank account alone.

[Vstarstruck]

I want to step in and talk about whales for a second. A quick definition for those who don't know: whales are a small portion (generally less than 1%) of a free-to-play game's audience who account for the vast majority (90%+) of the game's revenue. A lot of F2P games exist by targeting whales and extracting as much money as they can from them.

Vstarstruck, you are very much misunderstanding the relationship between whales and companies making games. They aren't catering to them because they want to reward big spending, they are trying to extract value from them through addictive gameplay elements. The people who benefit from whales are other players, because whales subsidize everyone else's ability to play for free. Without whales, the free to play model is much more difficult (though not impossible) to pull off.

Whales aren't really a thing in this sense in FFXIV. Because everyone is paying at least $10/month, even buying every single thing in the Mog Station isn't going to account for the level of revenue whales typically account for. $5/month does not a whale make. If you assume 1% of players pay $34/month ($13 for sub + $5 for app + $16 for retainers), while everyone else pays $10/month (legacy sub), then the 1% would then account for a whopping 3.3% of overall revenue. If that 1% also spent $107,000 per person per year on the Mog Station, then they'd account for 90% of the revenue. That's a lot of dye purchases.

I am not, you are the one mistaken. Maybe in an ideal world you are right, but this is what happens in the real world:
http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2017/12/14/t...ost-his-family
It is exploitation, it is not doing anyone favors like you are implying.
second off its 15 dollars, for 36 dollars total a month, that is whaling, supporting overpay for stuff that should be in the base sub. Plus you need consider mog station and the moogle coins on top of it.

Dude, if paying an extra $5.00 a month makes someone a whale in your view, you need to take your un-sub thread seriously, stop playing video games altogether, and re-think the life choices you made that put you into such extreme poverty. $5 a month does not make a whale. I know of people in Puzzles and Dragons that spent $10k on the game last year alone, and are considered "borderline" by that games "whale community".

Most people who aren't eternally bad with their money can afford the extra $5 off the interest in their bank account alone.

It is not just 5 dollars, it is 2 dollars here, 18 dollars there, 125 EUR for a statue because it gates an emote... unknown amounts for moogle coins. This is why people say they are starting to nickle and dime people to death

[Talraen]

I am not, you are the one mistaken. Maybe in an ideal world you are right, but this is what happens in the real world:
http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2017/12/14/t...ost-his-family
It is exploitation, it is not doing anyone favors like you are implying.
second off its 15 dollars, for 36 dollars total a month, that is whaling, supporting overpay for stuff that should be in the base sub. Plus you need consider mog station and the moogle coins on top of it.

Wait, what? I said that companies exploit whales and non-whales benefit, and you linked me an article about a whale who was so exploited he lost his family. So... thanks for making my point, I guess? Do you think games like that would be free to play without guys like this? That's what I mean when I say "non-whales benefit." The game is free because a small number of fools are spending the money most of the players aren't.

This guy spent $16,000 on one game. It's literally not possible to spend that much on a single FFXIV character unless 95% of it is spent on dyes. Free to play models trap whales by having infinitely repeatable microtransactions, almost always with a random mechanic involved. FFXIV does not have that, and nothing they've done is remotely like that. Having a premium subscription fee is a far cry from taking 16 grand from one person, and I've already provided the math that lays out why.

[BillyKaplan]

95% of it is spent on dyes.

That's not how you spell 'Fantasia'. Which several forums thread have shown is an actual problem for a lot of people.

More on topic, still subbed despite sharing a lot of the concerns brought up so far. That tiger isn't going to get itself. Also the app-fiasco aside, I'm actually psyched for 4.3.

[Talraen]

That's not how you spell 'Fantasia'. Which several forums thread have shown is an actual problem for a lot of people.

Oh thank you for pointing this out. I knew there was something else you could purchase infinitely, but couldn't remember what it was. It is Fantasia. And it's pretty embarrassing to have missed that one. Still, it'd be hard to spend $16,000 on Fantasia.

[Avatre]

Oh thank you for pointing this out. I knew there was something else you could purchase infinitely, but couldn't remember what it was. It is Fantasia. And it's pretty embarrassing to have missed that one. Still, it'd be hard to spend $16,000 on Fantasia.

Based on some of the threads that I saw a few weeks/month ago, pretty sure there was at least one person who Fantasia'd at least once a week. If I can find the thread, I will link it here.

Edit: Found it! Took some digging(almost page 10).

i used to change my race about once a month , but now i use about 2-3 fantasia a week ..
i see some people in this game who had the same character for years , and never thought of using a fantasia . how do you do it ?