Quality of Life Improvements and MSQ Gating for New Players

[Aerlana]

So you want new and veteran players to be able to play together -constantly-? At this point I'd say go to a different game...making that happen would basically require XIV to be a completely different game.

SE goes my way... but with cash shop...

(and same answer for okakimaru... Who forgot they get a special treat, for only 22 euros)

When you go to cash shop and see under the item there is "play with your friends" as reason to buy this...

You rush MSQ, you get to 70, you just need less than 50 euros, and 1 week to do all SB MSQ, and you are a new player (with 1 week experience...) that can play with older player. just a small stuff difference, but it is not even a real matter...
So yes, i want new and veteran playing together as they want, but without the 50 bucks fee. Simply

I wouldnt mind the MSQ gating stuff, if all old stuff was useless in the game ... Dont say "they are not useless" raid 24 were all desert, with some 1 hour or more to go in, untill they did the roulet... It is one example, in many others...

FFXIV is a game where you begin to play really at max level... and for a new player the road is long to it...

[Okamimaru]

Op also states in the first post that players with only 2 hours a day don't have the time to get through the msq... if you don't got the time needed for the msq you don't have time for anything interesting endgame.. PF and even DF waiting times will eat up most of that time... not to mention wipes which will happen even more frequently due to people being undergeared and even less knowledgeable... so in the end you wasted 2 hours for everyone involved... at best you get one clear (who here loves those one clear farm parties?)

[Penthea]

When you go to cash shop and see under the item there is "play with your friends" as reason to buy this...

Literally no one I know bought jump potions to play with friends, it was because they were too lazy to do the content themselves or wanted a faster way to unlock rdm/sam. They had no shortage of friends willing to do things with them.

FFXIV is a game where you begin to play really at max level... and for a new player the road is long to it...

What is wrong with walking that road? Why are you so against it? That road is specifically what prepares new players for the max lvl content. It teaches you boss mechanics, eases you into learning your class/job, gradually introduces content so you're not overwhelmed. The game needs that road so that every attempt at max lvl content isn't a disaster because most people don't know what they're doing.

If someone hasn't the patience to walk that road, then they likely wouldn't have the patience for max lvl content. I don't envision a player like that being able to tolerate wipefests in Rabanastre or spending several hours trying to kill an extreme/savage boss. Likely they're the sort of player who leave after the first wipe.

[Awha]

Nope it's quite trying to ruin a game you just got to...

How it is ruining the game. When I asked for an example you mentioned.

Try completing castrum and praetorum now with people running it cuz they HAVE to complete it... now try the same dungeons when it's not needed except for those who choose the story.... you will never get past that point... and NO you can't return the cs skip option in those dungeons because the people doing it would be doing it for the story and would watch the cs... so there's one example of how removing the mandatory story quest would effect people who choose the msq....

Which to my understanding it will ruin the game because it would make it harder for people that wish to do the story to complete story related missions? So maybe the mandatory story is not all that liked by the community and is just something people tolerate to get to the end game content?

[Aerlana]

there isnt only raid in max level content... ... there is eureka, (even with 1hour a day you can go there). There is story mode. Some people dont even think to go to savage mode you know It doesnt change many things need to be max level

and for the "learning job" we return to the "fate leveling does bad player" ... and there were many proof it was false...
For FFXIV, you know to read your skills, you know to play... i saw many people leveling their job in dongeon, and doing obvious mistake, not because they had to learn how to play the job, just learn to read what is written... On the other side, i did level all my job to 50 and did their relic same week, was before 2.1 (so... no other choic to level jobs before 2.1 than fate) and did what i had to do on every boss. . .

And for "learning boss mechanics" : dont go in front if you are not a tank, see mark on players/ground. you know boss mechanics... That is everything you need to know for leveling boss mechanics...

To be honest, i would begin FFXIV today, i would take those 2 things in CS just to avoid a boring leveling, with nothing interesting in it... just reading job THERE is enough to understand how it works...

[Penthea]

there isnt only raid in max level content... ... there is eureka, (even with 1hour a day you can go there).

Do you honestly think someone who hasn't the patience to do the lvling content, which has a vast variety of dungeons and doesn't punish you much for dying, would have the patience to do Eureka? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Eureka but it's not mechanically complex and the penalty for dying can make hours of work go down the drain. It is a massive grindfest.

[kidalutz]

This reddit thread here

A casual player who just wants to hang out with friends in Stormblood areas/do the newest content has to slog through at least 3-4 months of MSQ (ARR to the start of Stormblood),assuming they're playing 2 hours daily.

If they want to get into raids at this point, at least another 2 months to get geared up.

Sure there's the jump potion,free trial and the first 30 days free. However, after purchasing the game,the investment of further time and money compared to some other popular games,which let you get into the newest content faster,doesn't seem worth it.

Uh... you want to skip everything that makes it a final fantasy game just so you can get to endgame to... likely complain about there being nothing to do...*headesks*

[Kaitoo]

The OP is kinda contradict him/herself so i cant take this seriously.

If you only play an mmorpg 2 hours day or even less as its implied, you dont go anywhere anyways in ways of "current" content. Gets really ridiculous when you bring raiding up. Not saying they cant bet fat trimmed down especially in arr but the reasoning is like bonkers. Also things requiring time is in its essence since this an mmoRPG not a moba

[Aerlana]

The OP is kinda contradict him/herself so i cant take this seriously.

If you only play an mmorpg 2 hours day or even less as its implied, you dont go anywhere anyways in ways of "current" content. Gets really ridiculous if you bring raiding up. Not saying they cant bet fat trimmed down especially in arr but the reasoning is like bonkers. Also things requiring time is in its essence since this an mmoRPG not a moba

You can play FFXIV 2 hours a week and get the max ilvl stuff... FFXIV is one of the most casual MMORPG. Some people come on this game for this reason... 2hours a day in workday, 4-5 hours on weekend, more than enough for everything except savage...


But the funniest, here, most people says the op want to skip the reason why FFXIV is a FF in their mind (the MSQ) and dont even consider there is already possible... just have to pay for this...


And for eureka : how can you die in except while playing silly? ...

[Penthea]

But the funniest, here, most people says the op want to skip the reason why FFXIV is a FF in their mind (the MSQ) and dont even consider there is already possible... just have to pay for this...

I already told you in another post, you can't skip it all. The jump potions only let you skip ARR and HW. You still would have to do SB.

The only way to completely avoid the msq is by not playing.