Quality of Life Improvements and MSQ Gating for New Players

[Penthea]

That's natural, no?

The MSQ is mandatory. If you want to stick with the game, you need to be able to tolerate it, because you have to do it. If you can't, you'll quit, because you have to do something you can't tolerate. The people who disliked it a lot simply didn't stick with the game and naturally don't come around to complain. They're just gone.

Well SE have their target audiences, and people who are offended by content being locked behind story isn't one of them. There are other games targeted at these people. It's not as if XIV is the only decent mmo around.

[Aerlana]

Or else, there is things in cash shop, to go over the gate called MSQ.

On FFXIV, money can break many gate, even the MSQ...

For 15,75 euros, you get all ARR's MSQ done. ready to unlock others ARR content, and ready to begin HW
For 21,75 euros, the same but with all HW's MSQ


SO i would like to hear people speaking about "you dislike MSQ, FFXIV is not made for you" when there is a way to skip MSQ...


For the op, understand that now there are those things in cash shop, there wont be in game change for those content. But i think if SE get money because you dont want to have to do all MSQ to play with your friends, it's fine no?

[Penthea]

SO i would like to hear people speaking about "you dislike MSQ, FFXIV is not made for you" when there is a way to skip MSQ...

The jump potion only lets you skip the msq up to the start of SB which means people who hate working through a story will have to do that anyway. Unless they plan on waiting for the next expansion to buy a SB msq jump potion. (edit) Which wouldn't even work because at that point there would be more msq after SB.

[Aerlana]

The jump potion only lets you skip the msq up to the start of SB which means people who hate working through a story will have to do that anyway. Unless they plan on waiting for the next expansion to buy a SB msq jump potion.

if the MSQ are "mandatory", those 2 things shouldnt exist.
SE knows pare of the people dont want to get all MSQ quest to play with there friend, and they had 2 way for this

1) a free one. Being able to begin HW/SB MSQ without doing previous one, and for previous expansion side content, removing the need to do some MSQ.
2) Getting more money, to get the MSQ clean.

These are 2 same way to solve what OP said. He spoke about "all from ARR to SB" and with both way i say, it doesnt change anything for current expansion just for old one...

So, you are defending anything that SE already stopped to defend... Because they get more money if they dotn defend it

[Penthea]

SE knows pare of the people dont want to get all MSQ quest to play with there friend

But...friends can play together super early in the game regardless of lvl because of lvl sync...the msq doesn't completely prevent people from playing together. The roulettes and lvl sync constantly result in players of vastly differing lvls playing together.

This idea that the msq prevents friends from playing together is completely false.

[Aerlana]

The MSQ is a solo content, with some time dongeon / primals story mode.
While you have to do quest after quest, your friends cant do anything. they are playing on their side, doing their own primal farm, omega and anything else.

You speak about a small part of time of the MSQ... we speak about the whole MSQ. large majority of time in MSQ is a solo-time...



While you have to go to SB to be close to your friends, and then finish SB to go with them on the content they are doing (eureka and others) you are alone, and yes, some rare time you say "hey buddy, i have to go to Tam tara, want to come" and your friend is probably kidn enough to go in... (and try to suicide himself due he remember how much he has skills before some lvls...)

I dont play a lot FF, doing other game for month now. during HW a friend came to FFXIV to play with me, because i didnt have anything else to do, i did wait him for each dongeon... I did wait really more than i played with him while this road... (happy to have some game for the waiting...)


The fun fact, he finished all ARR main story quest 2-3 days before the item came in cash shop (and i never said it would be this ^^') he was a little raging ^^'. And i laughed :]


FFXIV is a game which begins in max level. like wow and most today's MMORPG, far from FFXI, or EQ and other old one where leveling was a great part of the game...

FFXIV could have an interesting way to do : you buy the level thing in cash shop, you go to SB MSQ, you can unlock bahamut, alexander and others content, and leave the ARR/HW MSQ for later. Why would you do this? because you want to see those quest, discover this story, but first you want to do the same content your friends are doing...
Those quest could also be usefull to level a second job btw...

[Okamimaru]

Op wants to hang out in kugane (and somehow expects to be invited to endgame content) without having gates in the way... if the people you want to play with don't want to play with you (if they did they would come down to the lower areas to play with you) I don't see the msq being optional as any sort of solution... seriously quit acting like "new players" should be treated special...

[Awha]

(and somehow expects to be invited to endgame content) without having gates in the way... if the people you want to play with don't want to play with you (if they did they would come down to the lower areas to play with you)

To be fair the MSQ is mostly solo content outside of helping with the occasional dungeon required to progress the MSQ not much can be done at the lower levels outside of PoTD and PvP, neither of which make any progress towards end game content. I just find it strange that for example people claim the best way to enjoy Eureka is to play with friends, yet this game makes it fairly time consuming to play with friends.

...seriously quit acting like "new players" should be treated special...

So this is the real reason you are so against the idea. The famous I did it, as should you mindset.

[Penthea]

The MSQ is a solo content, with some time dongeon / primals story mode.
While you have to do quest after quest, your friends cant do anything. they are playing on their side, doing their own primal farm, omega and anything else.

You speak about a small part of time of the MSQ... we speak about the whole MSQ. large majority of time in MSQ is a solo-time...

So you want new and veteran players to be able to play together -constantly-? At this point I'd say go to a different game...making that happen would basically require XIV to be a completely different game.

[Okamimaru]

So this is the real reason you are so against the idea. The famous I did it, as should you mindset.

Nope it's quite trying to ruin a game you just got to...