UPSKIRTS

[Iscah]

2) The games design makes it simply impossible to avoid. As I said, the characters have no "body". Think of them as ghosts that only materialize a little part at a time in order to attack/heal. This is for obvious reason of preventing people from getting stuck on each other, but it also invalidates anything based on the existence of that body. That means that passing through underneath a persons skirt is "a normal thing", because it was by design.

I don't get offended by someone accidentally sharing the same spot with our mutually-nebulous avatars. It happens. Of course it does.

But if someone was actually targeting me to look up (as seems to be the case in the screenshot) and going under my skirt? That intentional, and I don't see it as okay. It would be different if you know the person and you know they won't mind, but it's not nice to do it to a stranger.

Maybe you can just separate it entirely and you think it's funny, but for me... my character is still 'me', and your character is still 'you' - we are interacting via those avatars, and if I wouldn't act in a way toward the real you then I wouldn't do it with virtual-you either.


(And maybe our avatars are intangible ghosts in a computer-generated reality, but our characters are not. Why get emotionally attached to any of the NPC characters in the game otherwise? They're just polygons and text and maybe some voice acting. Except they're not, as long as you're caught up in the story - within that world, they're living people, and so are our characters.)


As for whether the camera actually lets you see anything... with the very rigid way skirts behave in this game, I've found myself looking up my own character's skirt often enough.

[kikix12]

But if someone was actually targeting me to look up (as seems to be the case in the screenshot) and going under my skirt? That intentional, and I don't see it as okay. It would be different if you know the person and you know they won't mind, but it's not nice to do it to a stranger.

The problem here is what I said. You won't know whether it was on purpose or not until that person either types something related to that (can constitute harassment depending on what is said, since at that point it IS specifically aimed at the people behind the screen) or make a post like this...which is the same, specifically aimed towards the players.

Maybe you can just separate it entirely and you think it's funny, but for me...

I find it neither funny nor a problem. But it is not my place to tell others what they should think, and I never said otherwise.

As I said, the issue with your post that I had was entirely in how you implied it should become a "social norm". People have varying sensitivities. There are things for which I am oversensitive. But I realize that it's "just me" and I try to adapt, instead of saying that others should adapt to me. Because it's not a problem, just something I make a problem of. Same here. You make a problem where there is none. It is a problem for you and I do not deny you...but at large...it is not. You can adapt to it. You shouldn't expect others to adapt to it. That's all.

Consider what I wrote a "food for thought". If it won't change your stance?! Oh well. If it will?! It'll be easier for you.

[Skeltal-Bons]

I can understand where you are coming from with this, buttrying to apply IRL etiquette to online interactions is like judging an Asian country through the lens of western values.

As I see it, people who try to manage the behaviors of others instead of their own thoughts would have better odds trying to catch lightning bolts with their teeth.