Seeing Square Enix in a new light. I am grateful for this game.

[silverlunarfox]

The point is that you're being hypocritical. (snip)

Tera ~ an awful console port of an unoptimized or cared about PC game, which is the perfect example of what a game company should not do, and shows how bad business decisions affect a game.

FFXIV MAC edition ~ one of the many games redone to fit Mac systems and one of the many that are, well...badly done for it. I wouldn't put full blame on SE for the issues with that port however (given how the PC version runs). Apple has been behind in the tech dept for their hardware/software for gaming for years. However they have made recent strides to make it better. Still, SE has tried to make it work. But sometimes there's things even they can't work around until the hardware can catch up. It's like them dumping PS3 for limitations. That they haven't fully dumped Mac, is nothing short of amazing.

[Rokke]

Tera ~ an awful console port of an unoptimized or cared about PC game, which is the perfect example of what a game company should not do, and shows how bad business decisions affect a game.

FFXIV MAC edition ~ one of the many games redone to fit Mac systems and one of the many that are, well...badly done for it. I wouldn't put full blame on SE for the issues with that port however (given how the PC version runs). Apple has been behind in the tech dept for their hardware/software for gaming for years. However they have made recent strides to make it better. Still, SE has tried to make it work. But sometimes there's things even they can't work around until the hardware can catch up. It's like them dumping PS3 for limitations. That they haven't fully dumped Mac, is nothing short of amazing.

Tera: “I put the full blame on the company because of bad company decisions”

XIV: “I don’t put the full blame on the company even though this port exists only due to bad company decisions”

cmon my guy. They're both awful ports that exist solely as cashgrabs. SE should have known that macs are shit for games. They went through anyway because they wanted to dip their fingers in more pies.

[Mizunoko]

Tera: “I put the full blame on the company because of bad company decisions”

XIV: “I don’t put the full blame on the company even though this port exists only due to bad company decisions”

cmon my guy. They're both awful ports that exist solely as cashgrabs. SE should have known that macs are shit for games. They went through anyway because they wanted to dip their fingers in more pies.

You and others are taking this all out of context in the first place since this isn't about pc or mac or anything, It's ONLY about console. Simple fact is that tera on console turned out as complete crap ESPECIALLY optimization wise, and FFXIV with better graphics more populated events like hunts and 24 mans STILL runs smooth as butter in comparison to tera which doesn't. That is the point i am talking about. This is about how the dev team for Tera has bad priorities as far as fixing their game to even run the way a game should on a console. SE did right by this and Bluehole did not. That is a true and factual statement regarding console editions only. I don't care about pc or mac versions since it's not my topic. I appreciate the SE devs for actually trying and doing their jobs. What i don't appreciate is the Tera devs for allowing their game to release and exist in such a terrible state without getting on top of the issue and doing their JOBS to fix it. If SE released FFXIV in the same state on the same console as tera was, SE would be out making a public apology as well is fixing it ASAP. Bluehole/EME would not do that because they do not care about their PR or customers as much as SE does.

[Rokke]

You and others are taking this all out of context in the first place since this isn't about pc or mac or anything, It's ONLY about console. Simple fact is that tera on console turned out as complete crap ESPECIALLY optimization wise, and FFXIV with better graphics more populated events like hunts and 24 mans STILL runs smooth as butter in comparison to tera which doesn't. That is the point i am talking about. This is about how the dev team for Tera has bad priorities as far as fixing their game to even run the way a game should on a console. SE did right by this and Bluehole did not. That is a true and factual statement regarding console editions only. I don't care about pc or mac versions since it's not my topic. I appreciate the SE devs for actually trying and doing their jobs. What i don't appreciate is the Tera devs for allowing their game to release and exist in such a terrible state without getting on top of the issue and doing their JOBS to fix it. If SE released FFXIV in the same state on the same console as tera was, SE would be out making a public apology as well is fixing it ASAP. Bluehole/EME would not do that because they do not care about their PR or customers as much as SE does.

I played Tera years ago. It was a fun, albeit shallow game. In the end I quit because the things I didn’t like were piling up so high they began to overpower the things I did enjoy. Even still, I give Tera more leeway due to tera costing me a whopping $0.00 dollars to play across the 3 years I was there. I have played XIV for almost 3 years now. Excluding the costs of the base game + the expansions + the collectors edition upgrades + the extra retainers, it has cost me nearly $500.00 in sub fees.

Im glad you enjoy XIV, but comparing the two is like comparing my local pumpkin patch vs. Disneyland. I would hope that the people who run Disneyland put more effort into running the park when it costs as much as it does to go through the front gate.

[Vstarstruck]

What's your opinion on loot boxes?

Nestama, my plan for the top 1% of gil holders. Rather than squander the surplus on a risky tax cut for the wealthy, I would put it in what I call a.. "loot-box."

I must say that in my plan, the "loot-box" would be used only for savage gear and extreme trials. This loot box will have two different locks. Now, one of the keys to the "lootbox" would be kept by yoshi P; the other key would be a software token owned by the player.

The "loot-box" would also be camoflauged. Now, to all outward appearances, it would be a Lalafallin stepstool. But it wouldn't be. It would be the "loot-box". Now I need to give out a warning to the enemies, or potential enemeies, of the eorzea: you may think you know the location of the "loot-box". Maybe you do. Or maybe that's a decoy. Or a dummy "loot-box". Only Yoshi P, myself and FFXIV CEO are gonna know for sure.

This is going to be a special "loot-box". Most of the time you are going to get marmot hides. Other times, maybe a savage gear. There will even be rarer gear, like giving gear and weapons that is 10 ilevels higher then anything you can get in the game. These special "loot-box" items will have sub stats completely randomized, like the pink stuff for diadem 2.0 during HW.

This is why it is so important to keep these "loot-box" secure. People will be flooding to log in the game that would end up being worse then during SB's opening. Everyone wants a chance at .01% chance of winning a rare item, even if each roll is 10 dollars each. In yoshi-P's words, look forward to it.

[SilverObi]

Actually the Mog Safes are free with your Mog House it's the Mog Wardrobes 3 and 4 that you pay extra for & you can only store weapons and gear inside them. For the Mog Satchel you really don't pay extra for it per se you just attach a security token to your account and you get it automatically. A security tokens depending where you buy it isn't that expensive either.

Aye you're right they're called Mog Wardrobes. I call everything a safe in there lol

[Mizunoko]

I played Tera years ago. It was a fun, albeit shallow game. In the end I quit because the things I didn’t like were piling up so high they began to overpower the things I did enjoy. Even still, I give Tera more leeway due to tera costing me a whopping $0.00 dollars to play across the 3 years I was there. I have played XIV for almost 3 years now. Excluding the costs of the base game + the expansions + the collectors edition upgrades + the extra retainers, it has cost me nearly $500.00 in sub fees.

Im glad you enjoy XIV, but comparing the two is like comparing my local pumpkin patch vs. Disneyland. I would hope that the people who run Disneyland put more effort into running the park when it costs as much as it does to go through the front gate.

It may have a sub but thanks to that sub the game has actual quality unlike tera. I would rather pay for something that is fun and quality and not pay for something that is junk and bores me. Your analogy is terrible anyway. Sitting on my butt all day doing nothing is free, but that doesn't mean everyone would rather do that instead of buying ps4 to play games instead. Besides if ffxiv did so much wrong then why are people still subbed and playing, why is ffxiv successful? It speaks for itself really. From what ive heard the tera port is blueholes way to get a final cashgrab before it bites the dust. The game is just crap imo even if it is free. I've played free games before that were farm more enjoyable than tera. Saying tera is free doesn't justify that the dev team has a job to do and instead of doing that job and trying to do a good job they basically just let the game go without important prioritization of it's updates and let it rot as far as its quality is concerns. SE and Bluehole both have a job to do and get payed, the only difference is SE actually tries/does a good job and knows how to prioritize important issues versus menial issues with its game, and Bluehole doesn't.

[Vstarstruck]

It may have a sub but thanks to that sub the game has actual quality unlike tera. I would rather pay for something that is fun and quality and not pay for something that is junk and bores me. Your analogy is terrible anyway. Sitting on my butt all day doing nothing is free, but that doesn't mean everyone would rather do that instead of buying ps4 to play games instead. Besides if ffxiv did so much wrong then why are people still subbed and playing, why is ffxiv successful? It speaks for itself really. From what ive heard the tera port is blueholes way to get a final cashgrab before it bites the dust. The game is just crap imo even if it is free. I've played free games before that were farm more enjoyable than tera. Saying tera is free doesn't justify that the dev team has a job to do and instead of doing that job and trying to do a good job they basically just let the game go without important prioritization of it's updates and let it rot as far as its quality is concerns. SE and Bluehole both have a job to do and get payed, the only difference is SE actually tries/does a good job and knows how to prioritize important issues versus menial issues with its game, and Bluehole doesn't.

Issue, FFXIV is not exactly giving quality, that is what rokke means. The point is you think the quality be there in comparison of the cost, when it isn't. They been doing the same thing since 2.0 (generally, Palace of the dead is he only real big thing worth noting there is something different)

"difference is SE actually tries/does a good job and knows how to prioritize important issues" Put it simply, no they do not. They slacked off housing too much, only putting in real effort when outside media got a hold of it, makes a change to content 2 expansions old that very few want. They are making a change in 4.3 that is exclusively to pander to the Japanese audience. Finally they hardly even "try" when it comes to communicating with NA/EU player base. What about the maid attire promotions where most EU countries got thrown under a buss?

In the mist off that, overcharging the mog station items, adding extra costs to a basic UI feature that should been in the game at the launch of 2.0, but did not because they wanted rush it out, now they want to charge extra over their sloppy code

Server issues, having slow response such as:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ce#post4641999

The game.. has ... a lot of hidden problems.. that people look away and stay stubbed. Based on the Eureka threads "because things can be fun with friends" is likely the biggest reason stay subbed, because it is there, so on.

Also I believe this is fitting for "Besides if ffxiv did so much wrong then why are people still subbed and playing, why is ffxiv successful? It speaks for itself really"

The results of one thing they clearly stated with rushing out 2.0:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4565795

I think your only point is that you are glad it is not as bad as tera, but the thing is, there are games that do things better then ffxiv too...

[Okamimaru]

wall of opinions

didn't you unsub already? How much longer til we are rid of this nonsense?

[Rokke]

/inhales

It may have a sub but thanks to that sub the game has actual quality unlike tera.

Disneyland offers a higher quality theme park than a local pumpkin patch because Disneyland costs $money$. Thats was literally point my analogy was making. The sub fee ensures higher quality because we're all paying over a hundred dollars a year. If you were paying $15 a month and you weren't satisfied with the quality you'd stop paying, no?

I I would rather pay for something that is fun and quality and not pay for something that is junk and bores me.

Thats fair and I never insinuated otherwise

Your analogy is terrible anyway. Sitting on my butt all day doing nothing is free, but that doesn't mean everyone would rather do that instead of buying ps4 to play games instead.

I'd say my analogy was pretty on point if you agreed with it lmao

Besides if ffxiv did so much wrong then why are people still subbed and playing, why is ffxiv successful? It speaks for itself really.

I never insinuated otherwise

From what ive heard the tera port is blueholes way to get a final cashgrab before it bites the dust.

I literally said it was a cash grab in my post?

The game is just crap imo even if it is free.

Opinions!

I've played free games before that were farm more enjoyable than tera.

Good for you!

Saying tera is free doesn't justify that the dev team has a job to do and instead of doing that job and trying to do a good job they basically just let the game go without important prioritization of it's updates and let it rot as far as its quality is concerns. SE and Bluehole both have a job to do and get payed, the only difference is SE actually tries/does a good job and knows how to prioritize important issues versus menial issues with its game, and Bluehole doesn't.

SE is quick to fix problems because if they do not they loose your monitory support. That is why they fix your problems. They are a multimillion dollar company running a cash cow MMO: They want your money every month. If they slip up, you will leave and if you leave they lose your $180 a year. From that point it snowballs: if they lose your $180 yearly sub, they also lose your $60 expansion cost, they also lose your $2 extra retainers, they also lose your $5 premium app sub, they also lose your $200 fanfest badge, they also lose your $90 orchestra tickets, etc. SE has every reason in the world to try to keep you hooked. Bluehole doesn't.