The premium app is what finally made me unsub.

[Talraen]

Ok, so someone clear this up for me. What EXACTLY does this app provide. I mean the exacts of what it gives you. If I pay $5 a month, what am I being offered exactly. I dont want "Well it could lead to 'X'" or "Essentially itll be used to do 'Y'", I just want the exacts of what it provides.

Basically everything we know is in this post: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4651141

To sum up, what you get (that we know of) for paying that you don't get for free and don't need to spend extra for is the following:
- The ability to organize your saddlebags and retainer inventories
- Double the saddlebag capacity (+70 slots)
- The ability to hire one extra retainer for 1 character
- Twice as many kupo nuts per day as free app users, and the ability to hold more of them (though we don't know how many more)

So essentially, it's $5/month for 215 item slots (70 accessible anywhere) on a single character* and the ability to do some number (presumably 1) of extra app-based market board transactions per day.

*They don't explicitly indicate whether the saddlebag increase is only for a single character, but it's phrased similarly to the retainer, which is, so I presume they both only apply to the character associated with the app.

[Ruf]

I'm sick of seeing all these posts saying that "SE is putting more effort into the cash shop than the game", when it's been said time and time again that the cash shop is run by a completely different team.

Different team or not, that doesn't change it,it's still square & its still money given to that cash shop you are speaking of so obviously, yes less is actually given elsewhere.

[Dustytome]

Basically everything we know is in this post: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4651141

To sum up, what you get (that we know of) for paying that you don't get for free and don't need to spend extra for is the following:
- The ability to organize your saddlebags and retainer inventories
- Double the saddlebag capacity (+70 slots)
- The ability to hire one extra retainer for 1 character
- Twice as many kupo nuts per day as free app users, and the ability to hold more of them (though we don't know how many more)

So essentially, it's $5/month for 215 item slots (70 accessible anywhere) on a single character* and the ability to do some number (presumably 1) of extra app-based market board transactions per day.

*They don't explicitly indicate whether the saddlebag increase is only for a single character, but it's phrased similarly to the retainer, which is, so I presume they both only apply to the character associated with the app.

Note that it states:

the ability to purchase an additional retainer on the Mog Station

so the retainer slots are not part of that initial $5/month charge and it's not really a bonus unless you're already paying for all 7 additional retainers.

[Talraen]

Note that it states: so the retainer slots are not part of that initial $5/month charge and it's not really a bonus unless you're already paying for all 7 additional retainers.

I have a feeling that's an error, because it doesn't make any sense (since it explicitly says "...can be employed by a single character"). Also the slide says "an additional retainer can be hired" and you don't "hire" retainers on the Mog Station, you hire them at the Retainer Vocate.

But if it actually does just let you spend another $2/month on retainers, that's even less useful. Which does back up the argument that Square Enix is overcharging for this stuff, but also means you can easily skip on paying this fee and makes the idea that this is a slippery slope kind of laughable.

[Melichoir]

Snip.

Ok.

So for people who have a Ton of retainers, tehyll be able to get more wtih this app. Hows that P2W? Does that allow someone to beat UCoB? Does that give them teh ability to beat Kefka? Is it an edge to have more retainers? More gil, sure. Ok. More storage for glamour or items. So what? I dont see a power advantage here.

What UI Featuers that should be in the game? Also $2 a month for an extra retainer? Ive never had an issue with that personally. Maybe thats just me.

Now the contention part: Microtransaction to change MB listing, thus its P2W.

How?

So you can undercut someone else by that one gil and can do it remotely? Thats what P2W means now? SERIOUSLY?

"But theyll make all the sales and get all that gil to get all the glamour and housing and gear they want!!!"

Except the best gear cant be bought typically (crafted gear can be, but that gear deosnt stay BIS forever). The best bang for your buck is almost always going to be gear attained in Savage modes. And Glamour isnt something you "Win" wiht. Its cosmetic. Nor is housing. Or a lot of things. Yeah, does that mean someone is going to have an advantage at getting a house cause they get that one sale slightly more often cause they undercut by that 1 gil?

Sure.

Is it a "PAY 2 WIN!!!LUL!" situation?

Not even remotely close.

I will concede its a bit money grubbing to have an app you pay for ontop of a microtransaction in the app, thats a really redundant charge. The app should be free and offer things players can do for fun (Triple Triad as an example, or access to your 'toybox'), and offer a microtransaction system for certain things. But if were losing our minds over "People can remotely adjust MB pricing, therefor its P2W," than the MMO community is way to high strung.

Last I checked, P2W was using cash to buy items that gave you an outright advantage. More stats, Better armors, Access to content that gives you those things or makes it easier to get through Savage or the like. P2W used to be pretty clear cut. If you were a P2W player, the free people would be stomped by you. Now were saying P2W means the remote possibility of getting a slight advantage (maybe) on getting gil, which MAY get used to get temporarily BiS gear. Maybe. thats P2W now. What anxious and spoiled little children we have become if we become indignant and lose our composure over the idea of remote possibilities.

[Niraye]

p2w : feista, tera, black desert <--- biggest p2w games out there
p2p : wow, ffxi, ffxiv
b2p : gw2

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I have a feeling that's an error, because it doesn't make any sense

From the Digest:

"The premium plan is based on a monthly subscription. While it’s not finalized yet, we are currently assuming around 500 yen for the monthly fee. We would like you to first try it out free, then consider subscribing. The premium plan adds various additional features such as inventory management between retainers, the ability to purchase an additional retainer on the Mog Station, and also doubles the capacity of the saddlebag."

Unless that, too, is an error, it seems you will have to actually purchase the retainer. The reddit translator also mentioned Yoshi-P outright saying it wouldn't be free.

[Avatre]

What UI Featuers that should be in the game? Also $2 a month for an extra retainer? Ive never had an issue with that personally. Maybe thats just me.

What I find interesting, aside from the complaints about inventory bloat shortly after SB release, I don't recall EVER seeing someone say that people who paid for additional retainers were part of the P2W community. Only after this app was revealed did that happen because "OMG! A TENTH RETAINER FOR THEM?! NOW NOTHING OF MINE WILL SELL! Q_Q"

[Divinemights]

What I find interesting, aside from the complaints about inventory bloat shortly after SB release, I don't recall EVER seeing someone say that people who paid for additional retainers were part of the P2W community. Only after this app was revealed did that happen because "OMG! A TENTH RETAINER FOR THEM?! NOW NOTHING OF MINE WILL SELL! Q_Q"

Yeah, people used to complain about under-cutting, not even once about number of retainers.
Hopefully, we wont see these types of hyperbole and daily dramatic threads fairly soon.

[Melichoir]

I think theyre going about the app all wrong for what it should be. Its not p2w though.

It should be free. Having the app should give you the ability to manage your acc, and allow you to recruit another retainer or more saddlebag space from your account. The app allows item management between retainers. It should allow people to play Trip Triad or their toybox games, or chat in FC chat or wtih friends. What you have access to should be determined by waht you do in game, to some extent. That would be a pretty nice app.

But as I said, its not p2w based on what they have.