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    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    k, but what you do has nothing to do if something has a P2W concept in it or not, retainers and this app are P2W concepts.[/url]
    Only the people ignored the fundamental law of supply and demand will claim Retainers is pay to win.
    In this simulated market board economy, demand is fixed (number of crafter) but supply is number of active player base.
    The number of market slots do not give you advantage.
    No matter how many time you can potentially list item, they are not going to sell if there is no demand.
    Such hyperbole argument is exactly like those complains about undercutting when they are totally ignored the fact this simulated FF14 market board is an open free market.

    Either way, since you already announced you have un-subbed over this still in-development APP, what is your stake here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    Only the people ignored the fundamental law of supply and demand will claim Retainers is pay to win.
    Blasphemy because, one person might get rich by selling something rare for an enormous amount, while some others that cant get that item could also possibly get rich for selling common items in bulk while hoarding as you said before...
    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    I bought extra Retainers for inventory space because I likes to horde
    Aka in other words you can buy low/resell higher but that still can be broken stacks, no reasons selling 99 of something if ppl arnt willing to buy more than 10 at a times & so in that case,that goes as taking several marketboard slots & then in the end, the more retainers you have, then the more slots you got open too, to me it feels like you are full of... because not everyone get the same chances & if you want to generally speak about economy, then ill say this, TIMING IS KEY
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruf View Post
    Blasphemy because, one person might get rich by selling something rare for an enormous amount, while some others that cant get that item could also possibly get rich for selling common items in bulk while hoarding as you said before saying you like to hoard...Aka in other words you can buy low resell higher like you said but that still can be broken stacks, no reasons selling 99 of something if ppl arnt willing to buy more than 10 at a times & so in that case,thats goes as taking several marketboard slots & then in the end, the more retainers you have, then the more slots you got open too, to me it feels like you are full of... because not everyone get the same chances & if you want to generally speak about economy, then ill say this, TIMING IS KEY
    This is my original statement:

    I bought extra Retainers for inventory space because I likes to horde weapon, tier gear, tome gear, and various glamour gear.
    Retainer market board is secondary and often cost me much more time and effort to list items.
    As you already made your mind, I wish you are good luck for your venture in other games.
    Enough said, no need to beat on a dead horse since OP already made his mind, any further argument is pointless.
    This is why I don't take you serious, cant even quote without twisting words.
    The statement is purely explain to OP the main reason I am getting 7 retainers is for inventory purpose, not marketboard listing. and wish him good luck.
    What you are trying to do here?
    Twisting my words?

    Selling ratio is low and purely random and you also admitted yourself, timing is the key.
    So what makes you believed that number of retainers will matter when market demand decides everything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    I likes to horde weapon, tier gear, tome gear, and various glamour gear.
    So after overhoarding things you didn't spiritbond to yourself & glamour, its impossible to change your mind & not want to use them anymore & then flip them by selling them on marketboard afterward? Right I forgot, everything that ppl hoard is market prohibited.
    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    timing is the key.
    So what makes you believed that number of retainers will matter when market demand decides everything?
    If you can handle the timing & you know what you are doing, a farmer can milk a cow dry... In other words, the more cows you own, the more milk "just theory" but my point is if you empty all your retainer, you got more supply power than I do & so yes you are full of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruf View Post
    So after overhoarding things you didn't spirinbond to yourself, its impossible to change your mind & not want to use them anymore & then flip them by selling them on marketboard afterward? Right I forgot ever everything that ppl hoard is market prohibited.
    How am I going to be able to sell Raid Weapon, tier gear, tome gear, and various soulbound glamour gears?
    Please do educate me.
    Oh my god, I am so want to know how to sell these rare/ex gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    How am I going to be able to sell Raid Weapon, tier gear, tome gear, and various soulbound glamour gears?
    Please do educate me.
    Oh my god, I am so want to know how to sell these rare/ex gear.
    Go to the PF, there are run sellers all the time there. . . Don't act like they don't exist.

    They've been in the game since Titan HM was a gate for the original Relic.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 04-21-2018 at 06:52 AM.
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Go to the PF, there's run sellers all the time there. . . Don't act like they don't exist.
    He is specifically saying those rare/ex and glamour items already in my retainer inventory tho.
    Did you pay attention to that?
    You may want to read whole thing first.

    oh my bad, i should be more specific, i use world glamour items because they are bound already.
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