The premium app is what finally made me unsub.

[MilanFrozen]

Not another thread just add to existing ones your points of view have already been covered several times.... Besides it helps your cause to add to existing ones...and like any other thread quitting do to OPTIONAL services ...good riddance.

Yeah you tell him! Quitting because of content in a 'theme park MMO' is a stupid reason! Who quits because of 'OPTIONAL' content in a 'THEME PARK' Anyway?

Why that would be like not going to disneyland because you've ridden the rides you want and they're releasing one that you don't like. /sarcasm off

Why are there so many of you incapable of understanding why there is no such thing as optional content in a game with almost all of it being optional content?

[Remyogic]

Why are there so many of you incapable of understanding why there is no such thing as optional content in a game with almost all of it being optional content?

Option [Webster's Dictionary]: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/option

1) an act of choosing

2) the power or right to choose

3) something that may be chosen

As long as SE gives you a CHOICE in whether or not to pay the extra money. It qualifies as an OPTION. Thus, it is OPTIONAL CONTENT. The only way this would NOT qualify as optional is if they made the app and it's subscription mandatory in order to subscribe to and play the game.

As I've stated in other threads, just because you don't LIKE you choices, does NOT mean you don't have a choice.

[MilanFrozen]

As I've stated in other threads, just because you don't LIKE you choices, does NOT mean you don't have a choice.

Actually it does mean you have no choice. That app is coming out no matter what. Are you denying that? I promise you OP has no bearing on whether it's getting released. He's perfectly entitled to not want it to affect the game and quit as a result, but that app is gonna be there whether he likes it or not. Does he have to use the app is an irrelevant question as it's existence and implementation is the root.

[Remyogic]

Actually it does mean you have no choice. *snip* Does he have to use the app is an irrelevant question as it's existence and implementation is the root.

Your statement is so flawed it's laughable. It's the equivalent of saying Nuclear Bombs exist, so we HAVE to use them, so everyone MUST kill themselves.

1) The existence of the app has zero effect on you game experience as evidenced by the fact that a) the game has existed for over 5 years without it and b) NOTHING currently in the game is being removed and relegated to the app only.
2) You have a CHOICE whether or not to use the app, hell you have a CHOICE whether or not to even download the app.
3) IT DOESN'T EVEN EXIST YET!

You still have choices to make, maybe none that you like, but they are still choices. That is undisputable.


I want to add that I don't necessarily agree with the concepts presented for the app and have not personally decided whether or not I will use it. But people going all END OF THE WORLD over something they have a choice on, is asinine.

[MilanFrozen]

Your statement is so flawed it's laughable. It's the equivalent of saying Nuclear Bombs exist, so we HAVE to use them, so everyone MUST kill themselves.

Man that is such a gross misrepresentation of my argument. I said the app is gonna be there no matter what. Doesn't matter whether he uses it or not. His enjoyment of the game being hindered by the app is his choice. It can be hard to understand that people go into a theme park to be entertained and leave when they aren't though. Perhaps you should take a minute to gather your thoughts?

[Remyogic]

Actually it does mean you have no choice.

His enjoyment of the game being hindered by the app is his choice.

Soooooo..........choice or no choice? Which is it? My whole statement is based around the premise of CHOICE. Your statements conflict severely on that matter. Maybe you should be the one gathering your thoughts?

[Mahrze]

Soooooo..........choice or no choice? Which is it? My whole statement is based around the premise of CHOICE. Your statements conflict severely on that matter. Maybe you should be the one gathering your thoughts?

You cut off this part:

Actually it does mean you have no choice. That app is coming out no matter what.

You're talking about options to do things. They addressed the part of "we're getting the app anyways".

[Remyogic]

You cut off this part:



You're talking about options to do things. They addressed the part of "we're getting the app anyways".

So explain to me EXACTLY how the apps existence effects in anyway, shape, or form your CHOICE whether or not to use it? The only reason you even have a CHOICE is because it exists, so saying that you have no choice because it exists defy's logic.

[Mahrze]

So explain to me EXACTLY how the apps existence effects in anyway, shape, or form your CHOICE whether or not to use it? The only reason you even have a CHOICE is because it exists, so saying that you have no choice because it exists defy's logic.

It doesn't because you're creating a nuance where it wasn't. Their original message was about how you don't have a choice on something that was coming out anyway. You decided to try to create a point out of a misconstruction you made. Which you still are now.

They never talked about: "you can use it or not" They talked about how you can always make a choice on doing/using any content the game releases, thus saying something "is a choice" is redundant when even the whole concept of playing the game is a choice.

So, no. You're not logically wrong. You're just going down a road that wasn't what the person you have been discoursing with (besides me) was. Does this address your question?

[Vstarstruck]

If the Premium Sub offers something like +5% att in Duty Finder content, then fine complain, but it's not.
Pay2Win is the concept that without doing anything in-game you can buy your way to the best gear or gear that can't be obtained by other means.

You do not see.. how what you said is conflicting?

You can get 5% attack up for duty finder content but it does not help if you do not enter the duty finder then after that, do your rotations well? THAT IS THE SAME concept with P2W with retainers. Also it is not a "5%" increase, its a 500% increase (for 21 dollars) How people are so blind to this I got no clue.

For now I am boycotting SE completely over being too cash grabby, I will not support such greed, an lazyness when it comes to fixing core coding, no they rush out 2.0 so they can charge us more later. I do not play any EA games or any other games that pull this nonsense, this is the first time being personally exposed to it and I will not support it at all.

Not only has there been several threads made, but other different people in different threads are posting how they are unsubing over this as well.

"The coins are a way to limit the use of the app and honestly for those who think being able to change the price of an item you sell through the app at the cost of a coin is an advantage. . . it's not." do we play the same game? do you know the advantage you have having the top listing consistly? it does not matter if it is by 1 gil, people auto pilot buying the top listing, even if the total is more though taxes.

For the final point you are right, not many will fully exploit the app, but it only takes that ONE PERSON to fully exploit the app to full control the MB. With how the MB is set up in general, makes it easy for one person to control it, just no one has yet for whatever reason, with this app though it does make that a hell a lot easier to do, while making people pay absurdly high amount of money in microtransactions for someone with that goal (so the person needs to be rich in rl and ig, and im not sure if that exists or not, may never see it because of that, but that does not change the fact the ability is there, so chances are high someone will do it.)

I really don't get why people feel the need to mention these are optional services.

There's only 1 thing that's not optional in this game and that's whatever prerequisite is forced upon you in order to play the optional content you want to play.

Because people love white knighting SE

IF F2P games are so great why are people comparing it to a game that is not a F2P to begin with? Just silently quit and go play something else. We the poor souls that enjoy this game and don't mind paying for things that we choose to do will waste our funds to help enhance a need that we have and SE is meeting based on their business model.

White knight statements like this are annoying, to think people see this as logic is mind boggling. I am sure EA will love you are your spokesperson. Where is that picture about SE in "what they learned"? that pic goes against everything said here.

Also it is compared to a F2P game because that is the model SE is using while being gated on a base sub, completely uncalled for. There is a difference of trying to make money and blatantly ripping people off with shady tactics, in case you did not know, there is even groups and government agencies made to combat this very thing. I am not saying SE went that far though, but this is a reply to "you do know what the number one rule of a business is right? this is not a charity type of business in case people have not noticed. " It can get so bad you are the cause of government regulation (EA)

Yes XI is still charging 12.99 for 1 character.

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/envi/charge.html


Basic Service Fee (*2)
$11.95(or 1,195Crysta)

Character Fee
$1.00(or 100Crysta)

Mog Wardrobe 3 Fee (*3)
$2.00(or 200Crysta)

Mog Wardrobe 4 Fee (*3)
$2.00(or 200Crysta)




So what you are saying is Gil and market board is P2W? Lol
You have to remember these market board features through the app is very very niche and won't affect the bigger community or economics.

Not to forget the argument about extra retainers, why have people in your corner been silent on that for years?

Nice try but no, FFXI had a lot of additions for free, one was gated by a 1 time payment for a token. It would be like getting a 3rd bag of 140 slots. FFXIV made very little attempt for that kind of improvement, and what they do improve on is gated by excessive fees.

It's exactly why we should not judge it too soon. I trust SE and while a premium subscription seems unfair based on ideals that some how this game is being compared to F2P games by many players( knowing they pay a subscription and has optional services ) is beyond the realm of common sense apparently.

Take Eureka, they released patch notes as well many hated , many liked , some of us completed during he first week while others complained from day 1 that it was too hard or unfair. Even with patch notes players comprehension skills are questionable claiming that they read it and even reported being ko'd and returning was giving them an XP penalty. When I read those I was -.-;; yeah sure you read those notes. Based on their track record SE is one of the few companies I can say I'm willing to follow and even pay for optional services knowing fully aware that as a consumer is my decision and not being forced into doing so.

We are going by what they said on the slides, we can judge what they told us, and based on their track record of not taking any consideration to make adjustments before a problem comes out.

I bought extra Retainers for inventory space because I likes to horde weapon, tier gear, tome gear, and various glamour gear.
Retainer market board is secondary and often cost me much more time and effort to list items.
As you already made your mind, I wish you are good luck for your venture in other games.
Enough said, no need to beat on a dead horse since OP already made his mind, any further argument is pointless.
Just wish him farwell.

k, but what you do has nothing to do if something has a P2W concept in it or not, retainers and this app are P2W concepts.

Yeah you tell him! Quitting because of content in a 'theme park MMO' is a stupid reason! Who quits because of 'OPTIONAL' content in a 'THEME PARK' Anyway?

Why that would be like not going to disneyland because you've ridden the rides you want and they're releasing one that you don't like. /sarcasm off

Why are there so many of you incapable of understanding why there is no such thing as optional content in a game with almost all of it being optional content?

Lets make it cost 1 dollar each time you change a glam because it is "optional content" lets lock gold saucer behind 1 dollar access that only lasts for 24 hrs because it is optional content. There is a difference of adding optional content and missing features that you charge for later and only missing because you rushed the game out. This is the only way people can protest these shady practices. Your post has a more detailed reply here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...if-it-continue