Stop with the pay to win advanages for retainers, suggestions on fixes

[Vstarstruck]

But it isn't a literal term. Even in a competitive game, someone with greater skill can still defeat someone who has paid for an advantage. It's still P2W even though the person didn't win.

This

Since there's win in it...

whats wrong, can't reply to a post because it is the last post on a page?

OMFG! -.- you insult me and ask this?
How is savage is competitive goal?
how is world first a competitive goal?
How is PvP being number 1 competitive goal?
I explained this over and over again and you wonder why I gave "smug" tone? because you keep ignoring what I have to say. You can't brush off a different play style just because it is different then your own. Some people JUST WANT TO SEE how much gil they can mass and simply like crafting. For people like that, this app is VERY HARMFUL while people P2W in that area is going to give them a huge advantage, so much so one person can completely control the market. I am worried about that one person per server that duo box crafting and only crafts everyday what they will do with this. that is 3200 sale slots for them, insane. 72 dollar monthly cost + micotransaction fees. So for someone like that, it is a HUGE unfair P2W advantage over base sub.

@Tridus, ah okay, I just did not want you feel excluded, I said maybe because I couldn't tell if you had some kind of focus in gaining gil in FFXIV, or just being open minded and simply calling it for what it is, hence why I said maybe.

Yes Ill state again, you are being blind by optimism, the way that is worded means it is only by IRL money, if it was anything different, it is SE failing to communicate. So hope that is the case I guess.

5 dollars a month is well worth the price only for a more streamlined UI where you can accept ventures and send off retainers with one click.

No it is not, our base sub should be covering that, it is a rip off
This is what companies do to get people to accept it, this line of thinking exactly.

What alleo said. Do you know how heated some people can get with it? First off I I know some things from simply talking to people on discord. This one finds "winning" by getting a large house for solo FC, then taking that FC and solo build (well most part, this person's ingame SO helps a bit with it, but lets say 80% of the work?)
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4632311
Just by the return time, my discord friend knew what kind of setups they where attempting and knew it was "wrong" don't you find that impressive at all? that is how well they knew the system, and it only took them 8 tries for node 24, and yet 2 weeks + and no result for that poster? there are ways to steer rng in your favor and this person was able recognize it

4 different max part setups with parts on standby to switch and mix for others, the reason why I was able to explain to someone in the distant past about how to get node 24 was because of this person, and 2 max subs. Considering full FCs have trouble with these sort of things, don't you think that it is impressive one person achieved all that? To top things off, they gathered most of the materials themselves, keeping 8 retainers full of different things to sell, selling a few workshop parts like walls WHILE building for the fc itself 80% solo? that is not a win to you? I doono about you, but I consider that an achievement. Just because you can't show it off like being number 1 on the pvp rankings does not change the value of achievements like that.

(btw this person is very able to just buy everything on the mb, but the thing is "need something to do while I wait for things to sell")

People with this much dedication to the mb and money making goals in general, and you want to toss them aside like they do not matter just because you have different tastes?

You're right, I don't see that as winning because I don't see what the "winning" or "losing" condition are, who are your opponents and how you face them, and how you build that as a competition.
Can you explain how you decide who "wins" ?

because you are closed minded to tastes that differ from your own, I hoped you understand better now after what I just said.
same thing as above, if no one cared for this kind of competition, 2 people wouldn't of been spam price changing (you see why I said price changing and not undercut in a bit) for 1 hour straight. On this one set of walls, 2 people spammed price changes every 15 sec to 30 sec for 1 hour straight. Once one felt it was too low, would hike it back up, and the other would undercut the new hike price and start all over.

It is called self pride as a crafter, saying that kind of player does not matter is kind of .. insulting don't you think? in the end it doesn't change you have access to pay real money for an advantage, that is what P2W stands for, not literally winning, as others explained, you can buy IRL money advantage and still lose (like buying stat potion up for pvp), does not change the fact p2w element is there.

[Reynhart]

whats wrong, can't reply to a post because it is the last post on a page?

Sorry, didn't know I had to reply to every post of yours.

Considering full FCs have trouble with these sort of things, don't you think that it is impressive one person achieved all that?

It sure his, but it has nothing to do with what others do.

It is called self pride as a crafter, saying that kind of player does not matter is kind of .. insulting don't you think?

Never said it doesn't matter, thank you. But it's a self imposed goal and nothing others make will have any impact on that. Your neighbor could build a larger house faster than you, it won't change your achievement of doing it by yourself. Unless you talked to him and decided to do a proper race, and in that case, you should have set rules to make sure no one has an unfair advantage.

If my pride is leveling every job of the game to 70, I don't care if others buy Jump potions, it won't negate my satisfaction of achieving a goal I made for myself.