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    Quote Originally Posted by Avatre View Post
    Additionally(pretty sure it was mentioned earlier in this thread that you could buy the coins/nuts through the app for money), do we know if it is unlimited purchases a day, or as some MMOs do, limit/question you if you exceed a certain number of purchases a day/week/month(though I have never heard of this type of thing for a mobile app...it's still a potential)?
    As in speculations then? Have SE said we can buy coins? Again, can't recall seeing or hearing this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinuko View Post
    As in speculations then? Have SE said we can buy coins? Again, can't recall seeing or hearing this.
    I went to bookmark this post, cuz im tried of hunting it down:
    Quote Originally Posted by alimdia View Post
    It's a misinterpretation of the slides.

    In the slides they said searching the market and putting items for sale is both free and premium



    BUT the next slides reveal how exactly that work, you can't sell or buy items in the market unless you use the new cash currency.

    It's labeled as free because:



    You get "kupo nuts" from daily login, I imagine 1 kupo nut = you can do 1 purchase/sale in the market every day, for premium it's 2 transactions per day.

    Then they introduce an additional currency you can pay real money for which allows you to buy/sell items with no limit at an additional cost



    In conclusion: they walled the entire market function behind a microtransaction (moogle coins) and you get 1 free coin per day (2 if premium)
    THEY flat out said it in these slides, it is not speculation.

    Retainers and app is pay to win
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    retainers and app is pay to win
    Let me ask you this question. Lets pretend either of us is a omni crafter, who makes more money than the other. Then we also say the omni crafter has less inventory space and retainers than the person who is not, who make more gil? If you think making gil is pay to win, go for it, but it's not. It doesn't effect your pve battles or pvp. This game is highly based on pve. Where does gil get involved into that? You need to explain that in a very constructive way and explain in details how it's giving you wins in pve. 1 2 3 go!
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    Quote Originally Posted by akaneakki View Post
    Let me ask you this question. Lets pretend either of us is a omni crafter, who makes more money than the other. Then we also say the omni crafter has less inventory space and retainers than the person who is not, who make more gil? If you think making gil is pay to win, go for it, but it's not. It doesn't effect your pve battles or pvp. This game is highly based on pve. Where does gil get involved into that? You need to explain that in a very constructive way and explain in details how it's giving you wins in pve. 1 2 3 go!
    What if PVE or PVP aren’t your focus in this game? Then what?
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    I'm not sure why this is a debate. P2W is paying money to get an advantage in game. More retainers gives clear advantages in game. More market board access is an advantage in game. More storage is an advantage in game.

    People trying to split hairs over how big an advantage it is have already conceded the point that it's an advantage of some kind, so it's already P2W.
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  6. #246
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    Quote Originally Posted by akaneakki View Post
    Let me ask you this question. Lets pretend either of us is a omni crafter, who makes more money than the other. Then we also say the omni crafter has less inventory space and retainers than the person who is not, who make more gil? If you think making gil is pay to win, go for it, but it's not. It doesn't effect your pve battles or pvp. This game is highly based on pve. Where does gil get involved into that? You need to explain that in a very constructive way and explain in details how it's giving you wins in pve. 1 2 3 go!
    Does that count for selling Clears? How many of that Gil is RMT actually? Do you know, neither do I.

    If we already go into Pay2Win, we might step into this case aswell *whoops* - *swifts away*
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  7. #247
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaru View Post
    What if PVE or PVP aren’t your focus in this game? Then what?
    That's something I can't answer on, because I don't even know what the gil could possibly be used on to make it pay to win. So I will ask you the same question, if it wasn't pvp or pve focus in this game, would gil be pay to win and if so, explain to me how the system would work then also explain how the gil would get you more win.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    I'm not sure why this is a debate. P2W is paying money to get an advantage in game. More retainers gives clear advantages in game. More market board access is an advantage in game. More storage is an advantage in game.

    People trying to split hairs over how big an advantage it is have already conceded the point that it's an advantage of some kind, so it's already P2W.
    I'm going to disagree with you, I'm not sure how more retainers gives more advantage in the game when you aren't following: omni crafter and if you are, then you mostlikely make a lot of gil with less retainers than others. It's how it's used and any smart player in this game would NEVER overflood mats/gear/items on MB, that makes the cost even lower in a shorter time and you make barely any proffit of it.
    More glamour space? How is that pay to win? Does glam give you more advantage in pve or pvp? Let me ask you this question, what is the advantage of having more storage in game? What items do you put in there to make you win?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mwynn View Post
    Does that count for selling Clears? How many of that Gil is RMT actually? Do you know, neither do I.

    If we already go into Pay2Win, we might step into this case aswell *whoops* - *swifts away*
    I don't really think it's completely pay to win. Pay to win in pve is where you can buy an item from cash shop to help you kill a boss/raid. That's an example, buying a run from people isn't pay to win, that's paying for a service than anything. It's like saying I give the controller to a friend of mine IRL to beat a boss for me and I give him 5 bucks to do it, it's not pay to win, I pay him for a service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    I went to bookmark this post, cuz im tried of hunting it down:

    THEY flat out said it in these slides, it is not speculation.

    Retainers and app is pay to win
    All i can read is we can give them coins, not how to obtain said coin unless there is something lost in translation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    I'm not sure why this is a debate. P2W is paying money to get an advantage in game. More retainers gives clear advantages in game. More market board access is an advantage in game. More storage is an advantage in game.

    People trying to split hairs over how big an advantage it is have already conceded the point that it's an advantage of some kind, so it's already P2W.
    I disagree with you Nobody gets a clear advantage for having more retainers.

    If you think extra retainers is p2w then the game been p2w for years and then this shouldn't be such a big deal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinuko View Post
    I disagree with you Nobody gets a clear advantage for having more retainers.

    If you think extra retainers is p2w then the game been p2w for years and then this shouldn't be such a big deal
    Yeah apperently making alts and get more retainers is also pay to win. I like how this was never a discussion before until the app happened, while they all say more retainers = pay to win, but the feature always been here... from the very beginning. So I think it's funny how they suddenly have to make a big thing about it then say pay to win.
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