JP Only

[Soukyuu]

Rein i must ask. Just because some NA players Leave when they lvl or are stupid ... do you think it is right for them to say JP only? i mean not all NA players do that. Its not right it wrong to dismiss a full NA playerbase.

What this thread here does is generalizing the JP playerbase, you are aware of that, right? Right?

They generalize because of their bad experience, you generalize because of your bad experience, everyone's happy - not.
The world would be a much better place if people stopped generalizing. There are assholes in every nation, doesn't mean the whole nation is.

[Spellbinder]

What this thread here does i generalize the JP playerbase, you are aware of that, right? Right?

They generalize because of their bad experience, you generalize because of your bad experience, everyone's happy - not.
The world would be a much better place if people stopped generalizing. There are assholes in every nation, doesn't mean the whole nation is.

Thank you.

[bird]

Then focus on the right point.

Your excused.

Excuse you. I quoted the entire block of text. The real point is yes it happens, but more often than not, it doesn't mean no English speakers allowed.

/beating on dead horse

So...you're saying that my point is not the right point? What is the right point? Your point? What's your point again? What if I don't think your point is the right point? Then who has the right point?

No, you're not excused.

[Reinheart]

Edit:
Rein i must ask. Just because some NA players Leave when they lvl or are stupid ... do you think it is right for them to say JP only? i mean not all NA players do that. Its not right it wrong to dismiss a full NA playerbase. and im sorry if i have a problem with that. What do you think?

It's not right imo, but that's how those players feel after getting crapped by those bad apples and they don't' even want to bother trying to try different players to see which one are the good apples.

Try getting bad apples after another, you will just /facepalm yourself and give up.

1. Made PT with mixed JP and NA players (good/bad players included)
2. Bad NA player leaves 20 minutes after joining PT since he leveled and didn't even give heads up that he has to leave (JP players give about 15-30 min heads up and looks for replacement)
3. Now PT has to farm lower level mobs until new player comes in, and it happens to be that JP PT leader invited another NA player since he has no problems with them, but bad pick, it was another bad apple
4. NA player finally arrives to camp and joins PT, seems like it's going well for 5 minutes, that NA player goes AFK without saying anything and to others he's just standing there..
5. He comes back and fights a little... then wow he goes AFK again without telling anyone again.. say this goes on for 1 hour and you can tell that NA player is basically leeching off EXP doing something else. Don't tell me this doesn't happen lol I know a RL friend who does this exact same shit lol
6. PT leader says sorry you're not helping much so have to kick you out the PT after a replacement comes, now that NA player is pissed off but say he just logged out and no harm done, but that next person he invited was another bad apple.. 3 bad apples in a row = not good impression.... JP PT leader decides in future no more NA players in general since it's too hard to sort out the good/bad.

It's mainly stuff like that... I'm sure they tried to invite in the past but after few bad experiences or extreme case like above (happened in PT I was in with wife in FFXI, and when I asked the NA player why he leaving without giving any warning, or heads up and he says "mind your own fucking business, it's only a game, I play any way I want" close to exact words lol)

Other than that is word of mouth, once one JP player feel this way he/she will probably mention it in the Linkshell and others in there can also end up deciding they don't want to go through the same crap he/she went through and just go JP ONRY... (which is happening, happened in FFXI)

Sure they can talk before making PT to try and find/sort our the bad apples but why bother if they have enough JP people on the server they would just want to stick with something fast, so they can go exp camp fast and exp.

[bird]

What this thread here does is generalizing the JP playerbase, you are aware of that, right? Right?

They generalize because of their bad experience, you generalize because of your bad experience, everyone's happy - not.
The world would be a much better place if people stopped generalizing. There are assholes in every nation, doesn't mean the whole nation is.

Mmhmm.

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[Spellbinder]

@Reinheart +1 for saying what I didn't want to.

Not to go on a tangent, but for those JP Players from the beginnings of FFXI, they were pretty blindsided by the presence of American players if memory serves right. Not that they had a bad impression from the get go of course.

[DNO]

What this thread here does is generalizing the JP playerbase, you are aware of that, right? Right?

They generalize because of their bad experience, you generalize because of your bad experience, everyone's happy - not.
The world would be a much better place if people stopped generalizing. There are assholes in every nation, doesn't mean the whole nation is.

No you are 100% wrong. I am WILLING 100% to play with JP players. i always have. Not one time did i say i would not. All i am saying for the 100th time is if they are gonna say JP Only i am gonna go to anonther server IF SE makes it. If they do not then i will have to deal with it as i have for the last 7 years.

Point is i am for Single speaking servers. I have no problem with JP but if they are gona ruin my play time then why do i HAVE to play with them? They obviously thought of this years ago. As Rein said NA player ruin their play time so why is it bad for me to do JUST what they have be doing for years and thats not play with them?

(Again before another person comes in and takes on word of my post and posts about it. Its not all JP players its some of them. Just like its not all NA players that leave after a lvl but its some of them. However they still make JP Only parties)

[Spellbinder]

For the 100th time, you don't HAVE to play with them now. Are there not any English speaking people on your server to mingle with?

[DNO]

It's not right imo, but that's how those players feel after getting crapped by those bad apples and they don't' even want to bother trying to try different players to see which one are the good apples.

Try getting bad apples after another, you will just /facepalm yourself and give up.

1. Made PT with mixed JP and NA players (good/bad players included)
2. Bad NA player leaves 20 minutes after joining PT since he leveled and didn't even give heads up that he has to leave (JP players give about 15-30 min heads up and looks for replacement)
3. Now PT has to farm lower level mobs until new player comes in, and it happens to be that JP PT leader invited another NA player since he has no problems with them, but bad pick, it was another bad apple
4. NA player finally arrives to camp and joins PT, seems like it's going well for 5 minutes, that NA player goes AFK without saying anything and to others he's just standing there..
5. He comes back and fights a little... then wow he goes AFK again without telling anyone again.. say this goes on for 1 hour and you can tell that NA player is basically leeching off EXP doing something else. Don't tell me this doesn't happen lol I know a RL friend who does this exact same shit lol
6. PT leader says sorry you're not helping much so have to kick you out the PT after a replacement comes, now that NA player is pissed off but say he just logged out and no harm done, but that next person he invited was another bad apple.. 3 bad apples in a row = not good impression.... JP PT leader decides in future no more NA players in general since it's too hard to sort out the good/bad.

It's mainly stuff like that... I'm sure they tried to invite in the past but after few bad experiences or extreme case like above (happened in PT I was in with wife in FFXI, and when I asked the NA player why he leaving without giving any warning, or heads up and he says "mind your own fucking business, it's only a game, I play any way I want" close to exact words lol)

Other than that is word of mouth, once one JP player feel this way he/she will probably mention it in the Linkshell and others in there can also end up deciding they don't want to go through the same crap he/she went through and just go JP ONRY... (which is happening, happened in FFXI)

Sure they can talk before making PT to try and find/sort our the bad apples but why bother if they have enough JP people on the server they would just want to stick with something fast, so they can go exp camp fast and exp.

Great post.

So here is another question. If they CHOSE not to play with us why is it bad that some NA players want to do the same? I got that bad apple in f11 for 7 years. But i STILL will pick any JP player as long as its the job i need lol.

I guess what im trying to say is why is it ok for JP players to do it but not ok for us to want Single speaking servers?

[Nakiamiie]

I need to level up a bunch of classes, but I'm waiting for 1.20 with party search function. Shouting is somewhat random and unreliable way to find a party. :s
And my LS are all endgame, no one has level 15 classes anymore, so I'm betting on the party search of 1.20!