Stop with the pay to win advanages for retainers, suggestions on fixes

[Vstarstruck]

And you did not answer my question about savage gear. If P2W is only PVP in your opinion wouldnt that make such savage gear sellings fine? Since that would be for PVE content.

He did not answer me as well or even give a fitting reply to what I had to say. Maybe he knows it is P2W but does not want to admit it?

i can ask someone if the earth is flat and they say yes but i guess it's true because they believe it.

to counter your end part there what about mount collectors? or minion? emote? music notes? why must they pay more for their enjoyment?

because it doesn't matter.

I can't reply to this as it makes no sense and has nothing to do with what I said. I explained in full detail why this is P2W and yet you did not comment at all on that. You have a misguided prospective on how to define pay to win. You pay real money for advantage, that is exactly what retainers are.

" ff14 is the only game i have ever played with standards for p2w so low."

it is not a low standard, your paying for an advantage, that's pay to win, I do not see how one can debate otherwise, outside not understanding the idea it does not matter how little the MB impacts combat progression, it does not change the fact there is an advantage to pay for.

why are you guys giving me hypothetical questions to answer when i already explained what p2w is?

here is my question to you two also then is the best gear only obtainable in the cash shop? if not then it's not considered p2w.

Why are you ignoring points why we explained what p2w is? why are you ignoring facts? You do not want to answer those questions because answering them proves your point wrong.

secondly my second point was countering *why must people who only craft/gather pay more* to which i replied because it doesn't matter the only things that matter is the actual pve content and pvp content.

Wrong, they do not matter to you! omg you are just making me repeat what I said:

There are people that ONLY like to craft, ONLY like to make gil, because that is what they like to do, see how much they can get. If the MB in and itself was standlone (like not looking the effects it has to play content) it is pay to win. You are paying for a massive advantage over base sub. You are using REAL money to pay for an advantage, that is pay to win, that is what retainers are for this game, and even more so with the app release.

People with such likes DO NOT CARE about PvP and PvE. Why are you sitting here pretending what you like is the only thing that is important or matters? FFXIV is P2W for crafters/MB item flippers. How much that impacts PvP or PvE does NOT MATTER, you missed the point completely. If you are not going to be open to there are other things people find more important then your own,... why are you even here?

[Musashidon]

He did not answer me as well or even give a fitting reply to what I had to say. Maybe he knows it is P2W but does not want to admit it?

why are you guys giving me hypothetical questions to answer when i already explained what p2w is?

here is my question to you two also then is the best gear only obtainable in the cash shop? if not then it's not considered p2w.

now you can also get into the whole locking dungeons and trials and the actual game behind money and claim it p2w or something on that lines which i really don't want to get into since the whole theme of this thread is if i keep bring up enough hypthetical scenario's the person will trip up and will have to back track to try to defend what they said earlier.

I can't reply to this as it makes no sense and has nothing to do with what I said.

i countered the two points you threw at me which was *someone else may view it differently which makes you wrong* to which i replied people think the world is flat but they are wrong but with your thinking its right because they believe so.

secondly my second point was countering *why must people who only craft/gather pay more* to which i replied because it doesn't matter the only things that matter is the actual pve content and pvp content.

Why are you ignoring points why we explained what p2w is? why are you ignoring facts? You do not want to answer those questions because answering them proves your point wrong.

woah now calm down now don't need you linking me to another wikipedia page telling me it's facts.

actually i already explained your poor excuse of *if i force them to keep explaining semantic situations when they stop they lost the arguement* routine here.

why are you even here?

because of what the person i qouted the first time? which sadly for me was someone who wasn't actually looking for answers but baiting people to reply so i guess that's my bad.

but i do like how you completely ignored what i said but say i am ignoring you? see this circle it's pretty funny actually

crafters opinions matter even if they are the minority! actually if they are the minority it doesn't matter having more space has never been considered p2w in anygame i came from just this one AND there has been so little backlash on this forums be it NA or JP that the chances of it changing are little.