Lost Faith in Square-Enix as a company?

[Avatre]

Has anyone decided not to quit or is this standard white knighting you see with every patch?

Is there any merit to your calling people out for "white knighting"?

Is Eureka perfect? Far from it, there are definitely ways they could improve on it, and I hope they do.

Should the app have a "premium" cost to get you more out of the game you already paid for, and already have a subscription for? Not in they way they are doing it. Maybe in a way to get you some sort of discount on the stuff already in the Mogstation(since it literally is just glamours/mounts/cosmetics you don't need). Give everyone a free additional retainer if they sign up for the normal version of the app, the discount for the premium(or something else, don't really know).

[Silica-chan]

No I did not.
Eureka seemed horrible at first but simply because I did it wrong. Once I got past my antisocial part and joined partys it got pretty fun eypecially the shout chat lol.

As for the app I don't understand the doomsday talking but we got that with so many things. Optional retainers on the mog station, jump potions, etc blah blah.

I will download the app grab my favored teleport spot and probably uninstall it again.
I still only use 2 retainers, I could not care any less about the increased chocobo bag space (I just learned about that like 2 weeks ago anyway) nor do I care about that moogle feature.

As long as there is no app exclusive items of interest like crafting mats or glamour gear there is nothing that is hurting me.
Also SE is a Japanese company and according to someone in another thread they mostly love the idea about the app so SE did everything right in their eyes.
If you hate it that much then don't use it, simple as that.

[Laerad3993]

I keep hearing all this doom and gloom about Eureka and pay to win features. Is there any merit to this? Has anyone actually quit, or is this standard behavior everytime FFXIV releases a patch?

Happens all the time. There was even a gag thread wayyyyy back titled something like “The many deaths of FFXIV”.

[JackHatchet]

I don't think FFXIV is dying, but I was curious if anyone has actually reached their climax. Like enough was enough? Do people still love FFXIV, or are they just tolerating it because they don't like Warcraft or something?

[Laerad3993]

I don't think FFXIV is dying, but I was curious if anyone has actually reached their climax. Like enough was enough? Do people still love FFXIV, or are they just tolerating it because they don't like Warcraft or something?

I’m sure people have certainly left, to prove a point or stick to their beliefs. But I also guarantee a lot of it being said is the fact they’re displeased, and threatening to quit is really their only form of venting/getting their point across to the company here. Either way, life goes on, quitting or not.

[Vstarstruck]

I don't think FFXIV is dying, but I was curious if anyone has actually reached their climax. Like enough was enough? Do people still love FFXIV, or are they just tolerating it because they don't like Warcraft orsomething?

*deep breath, enters the wolf den*

To some extent I am getting more and more hesitant in speaking my mind, you even have a reply on the first page showing why I feel that way.

I was simply "tolerating it" to play with friends and sunken cost fallacy ( if you do not know what this is, read here: https://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/03...-cost-fallacy/ ) overall I do think wow is the better game, just the closet person I am with, stopped playing it, as they generally have better customer service, better functions, most shop is account wide, real glam log, feels more stable, does not have server side lag, etc)

For Eureka the problem with it is it is a glorified fate train (yo kai watch, diadem, "old fashioned exp gain" etc.. ) so it does not feel like they put a lot into it. To make matters worse, this near empty content was delayed several times and even stipped SB's base content a bit like removing an expert dungeon. I rather had more expert dungeons to run over this no content black hole of development. Some people feel different, some think Eureka is the greatest in the world and reminds them of FFXI, I see that as blind, so desperate for "the good old days" pretend something is there when it is not.

For the "pay to win" it depends who you ask. Like if someone only cares about battle content you get this:

This community seems to enjoy complaining about optional content. Retainers don't make you do more damage, glamours don't help your rotation, the app is yet to be seen and looks more like a mobile inventory management than anything else and relics are there for people who want them.

If you really have your subligars in a bunch then go ahead and unsub, a lot of us still enjoy the game. I quit WoW because the lack of content and Blizzard's snails pace to make any changes; FFXIV at least is regularly updated and the content is fun.

But to people where all they do to is play the markets and don't care about what most people refer to as "endgame" the market board on itself as standalone, yeah its pay to win. You are going to have a huge advantage selling (right now) 180 slots of items, and after the app is released, 200) per character. Someone paying for base alone is limited to 40, 40 x 8 chrs is 320 sell slots. The problem here is the time it takes to log on and log off and managing each chr. so a person with 2 charaters that have 400 slots of sales is going to have huge advantages over someone paying for base sub only just due to time factors.

There is also another thing to consider here, why should ones taste cost more then another? Someone playing on one job only is fine with the game and I am sure finds enough room for 2 retainers, where people that like to craft and only want to craft and only care about making most sales as possible, why do they have to pay more then others for full enjoyment in that area?

[Miksu]

FFXIV will absolutely have a declining subscriber base if they keep hashing out the same formula without breaking away from it too much. It's fine that they experiment with stuff like Eureka but it's not enough.

[Vrankyl]

To be honest I personally am just tolerating it because I have friends that still play and I enjoy the rp community. That said between the burn out from Eureka, this mess with the app, and other things that the company has said and done really has me wary. I even found myself eyeing WoW once more, and while I know it's the nostalgia talking it also showed me that if another decent p2p MMO came to light I'd probably jump ship.

[AkashiXI]

That perception capacity though.

Vast majority understood your post, but Poe’s Law is a thing and always will be.

[MrSmiley]

Eureka was a bit disappointing, but whats really getting me is the constant increase in cash shop items (faster than ingame items) and additional subscription services, usually featured around inventory, the games weaker feature. Instead of fixing it,t hey are profiting off of leaving it bad. That doesn't sit well with me.