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  1. #171
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    Solarra's Avatar
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    Sylbritt Muscadet
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    Cerberus
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    Archer Lv 89
    When they tell us the servers can't handle us having more storage and then they tell us in SB that we can all rent an extra retainer and apparently the servers can handle that, it looks dishonest.
    And when they follow up by telling us that if we buy the premium version of the App we can rent yet another retainer and the Saddlebag will magically double in size, well it's hard not to be suspicious.
    Apparently storage is only a problem until you shell out extra cash.

    If this perception is wrong, then it is a problem entirely of their own making. Communication with Europe and the U.S. players has been sparse to say the least.
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    Last edited by Solarra; 04-16-2018 at 08:17 PM.

  2. #172
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    Alleo's Avatar
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    Light Khah
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    Moogle
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    Arcanist Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Rufalus View Post
    Nah I'll dial it back after this comment maybe unless I get quoted again, you guys win. I don't think gil means winning the game but if you feel that way I can't tell you otherwise. There's a lot of stuff that just isn't tradeable for gil. It's one of many currencies... but you can buy a house with it.... buy you can get gil and buy a house without the premium app too. I'm not worried about the game being broken by little cash perks.

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    You can do a lot with Gil. Houses, being on top of the crafters, Glamours, pet, mounts and heck even for raids. You could buy your win, and those that progress can buy stuff as soons as the patch is up so that their crafters can make them the best gear for savage progress. It might not be much but there is still some advantage here and who knows what the future will bring.
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    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

  3. #173
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    Freyt's Avatar
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    Rabbit Ackerman
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    Gilgamesh
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    I've been waiting for this app for 4 years. Screw anyone who says it shouldn't be released.
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  4. #174
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    Fhaerron Kobayashi
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    Twintania
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyt View Post
    I've been waiting for this app for 4 years. Screw anyone who says it shouldn't be released.
    It shouldn't be released.
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  5. #175
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    Rinuko's Avatar
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    Lele Inoch
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    Zodiark
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Freyt View Post
    I've been waiting for this app for 4 years. Screw anyone who says it shouldn't be released.
    Yes we been waiting for 4+ years. We never wished for a premium sub tied to the app though.
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  6. #176
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    Paladinleeds's Avatar
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    Nomfur Farredzasyn
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    Omega
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Fhaerron View Post
    It shouldn't be released.
    Indeed, in its current blatant cash grab state it should not be released. We're not against the features it provides (being able to manage retainers remotely, chat with friends, manage marketboard listings, etc), the features are good. We're against the app because of the blatant cash grab system it's using. $5/mth to move items from 1 retainer to another out of game? Kupo nuts (a microtransaction currency, you get x free per day) to manage listings on the marketboard or buy items. So much cash-grabbing going on here and THAT is what we're against.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

  7. #177
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    Fhaerron Kobayashi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    Indeed, in its current blatant cash grab state it should not be released. We're not against the features it provides (being able to manage retainers remotely, chat with friends, manage marketboard listings, etc), the features are good. We're against the app because of the blatant cash grab system it's using. $5/mth to move items from 1 retainer to another out of game? Kupo nuts (a microtransaction currency, you get x free per day) to manage listings on the marketboard or buy items. So much cash-grabbing going on here and THAT is what we're against.
    All of what the app offers should be in game with QOL improvements.
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  8. #178
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    Moogle
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    Arcanist Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Freyt View Post
    I've been waiting for this app for 4 years. Screw anyone who says it shouldn't be released.
    This app was already advertised four years ago? Wow thats a lot of time and money being put into this..all of that work might have been better put into the game itself.

    They could have simply introduced a Final Fantasy App for everyone where people can chat and plan stuff (since the japanese players dont really have that). If you are not willing to pay and already have means of communication its kinda useless. So they simply could have made a communication app and nothing more. Give it a price that of 1-2$ (once not monthly) and you also would have had enough back for the production..
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    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

  9. #179
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    Paladinleeds's Avatar
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    Nomfur Farredzasyn
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    Omega
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Fhaerron View Post
    All of what the app offers should be in game with QOL improvements.
    Alright, so tell me how I'm going to be able to chat with friends in-game without being in-game if it was added as a QOL improvement instead of the app? Don't say Discord etc, some of them point blank refuse to allow me to communicate with them outside of the game (though being able to send /tell in duty needs to be added, as well as being able to toggle online status in duty, such as /away, /busy, etc, as well as better tools to mitigate against /tells, such as maybe "Friends only", "Friends of friends", etc, but that's a separate discussion).

    Moving items between retainers without having to do the clunky system of Retainer 1 -> Inventory -> Retainer 2, I can agree, that needs to be added in-game as a QOL improvement. The fact they're charging $5/mth to add that in as a "Premium feature" is absurd. But yes, drop the microtransactions, the kupo nut currency, and the premium tag, and then release it. As well as adding in the QOL features from it we sorely need in-game, in-game too.

    EDIT: It's worth noting that the game uses C++ (from what I understand, since C++ is the go-to language for games of this scope and depth). For lightweight apps such as this mobile companion app, it'll be written in something like C#, Apple's Swift (they used to use Objective-C), Java, etc. Different languages, so it's likely there's a different team working on it that wouldn't know the C++ stuff to develop on the game directly.
    EDIT2: Following on from that different teams comment, I'd say it's likely they pulled in one of Square Enix's mobile development teams in to make the app, rather than hired new developers for it specifically for FFXIV.
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    Last edited by Paladinleeds; 04-16-2018 at 09:14 PM.
    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

  10. #180
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    Alright, so tell me how I'm going to be able to chat with friends in-game without being in-game if it was added as a QOL improvement instead of the app? Don't say Discord etc, some of them point blank refuse to allow me to communicate with them outside of the game (though being able to send /tell in duty needs to be added, as well as being able to toggle online status in duty, such as /away, /busy, etc, as well as better tools to mitigate against /tells, such as maybe "Friends only", "Friends of friends", etc, but that's a separate discussion).
    'Friends' but refusing to allowing to communicate outside the game? Might needs to seek new friends.

    And yes Discord because you can NOT talk to people in the game, only people who have the app and are on the actual app.
    When I'm playing XIV I have the game and discord on my second monitor, I do not have a third arm/hand to handle my phone.
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