All Greed on Alliance loot

[Ageofwar]

If they are implementing this right off the bat on the 4.3 alliance raid it's a really bad idea

I'm already having a hard time getting caster gear for my main job I play without getting out looted by someone that only plays a caster job once in a blue moon

if the look of the gear is not fantastic it will cause me to only run the raid once a week for the tome upgrade token and i'm sure i'm not alone

[Luin]

Stop with the "rolling against 7 other players" thing. The chances of that happening are so low that it's not even worth considering. So making at argument out of it is absurd.

Except it's not. Most of the time nobody needs a gear upgrade, they're just doing it for glamour. Even more often, nobody cares about getting loot from the place because people despise 24man raids, as they take twice as long as any other piece of content, for minimal rewards, so most, including myself, often lot on ANYTHING, just so we don't have a reason to do this godawful content again.

Why don't we just remove tanks and healers from the game? Because that's what will happen here. Why should I sit in a 20 minute queue for Alliance Roulette as a Tank when DPS gets it in 5, when as a Tank I'm going to get blamed if anything goes wrong or if we don't pull fast, or if we lockout, or anything. As a tank I have minimal interaction since 24mans don't so much require tanks as they do punching bags. Right now the answer is GLAMOUR. As a tank, right now, I'm a lock-in for the glamour I want.

But now that's gone. The only incentive to run the new 24man is the once-per-week Mendacity upgrade token.

Personally, if any of the new glamour is great (and I'm not counting on it, considering Rabanasty's Fall Collection of Garbáge), then I'm going to just make a Party Finder with predetermined lots.

EDIT - Btw RIP aiming gear

[Akava]

Greed only alliance loot is a terrible idea and I hope they don't go through with it.

[Remedi]

It's suspicious that activision-blizzard is enforcing a personal loot style on the raid too, I wonder if companies want to tigthen the grip on loot flows.
Though this kinda feels odd when you consider the many other venues of getting loots in FF14

[Minerva-Redwater]

I agree, bad planning on SE's part. People should always be required to play a job they roll for, not having to fight with 7 other people to roll against them when they might not even have the job leveled lol.

[Vahlnir]

It's suspicious that activision-blizzard is enforcing a personal loot style on the raid too, I wonder if companies want to tigthen the grip on loot flows.
Though this kinda feels odd when you consider the many other venues of getting loots in FF14

All greed and personal loot are 2 completely different things. I'll be honest, I'd take personal loot over what they're planning, and I'm not the biggest fan of it.

[NoNick]

Token systems have their own flaws too. The tomestone one doesn't bring any sense of satisfaction. The 8-players normal raid one can be worse than the 24-raid they want to do (ever tried to get a shaft during the first 4 weeks?). Tokens are far from perfect.fair.

let's see ... D4|S4 with 100% chance for Shaft drop (sometimes dropping two in the clear) in a 10-15m fight (being very pessimistic) "can be worse than the 24-raid" with + 40m and possibility of not dropping what interests you (knowing that now you will compete with, in the worst case, 7 people)?

[Neophyte]

The irony is they've now made it significantly harder for tanks who actually want the gear because all the raiders playing their DPS alts can roll on it for glamour. It's an incredibly shortsighted change that benefits no one except people who want gear for a job they won't play.

No one? And what about the people who actually play a lot of jobs?
You know, those that don't play healer/tank/any job, just because they can need on glamour items, with their ilvl 310 weapon and no skill at all.

Let's say I could use an upgrade on healer/DRG/NIN. Instead of going NIN x times a week and hoping for NIN gear to drop and hoping to have no other NIN (or same with any other job)... I can go healer->DRG->an BiS job not needing gear at all->tank->whatever and have just to beat RNG regarding any drop I could use and then have to win against people with a weekly lockout (people should roll pretty careful).

I rather roll against people I can talk to with lockouts (so not 7 will roll on tank loot I guess) than have to deal with that rng bs to be on NIN when drg gear drops and other way round.
I can just going as most needed role, speeding up queue for me and everyone else.

And yes, it's also baffling how people defend the unfair situation that as a healer you always have to roll against someone and as a tank never. Ppl dont care why?

[MoroMurasaki]

I can just going as most needed role, speeding up queue for me and everyone else.

How is this any better than the current system, honestly?

Let's look at your NIN example. With the current system you can play NIN and maybe have to roll against another NIN, more than likely not. The only job in the current 24man that is guaranteed competition on "Need" drops every 24man would be healers though admittedly sometimes DPS are doubled up. Tanks never have this issue right now.

In the future tanks aren't guaranteed tank-drops. That NIN isn't guaranteed NIN items in a party where they're the only NIN. Those healers are going from rolling against one other person (at max) to up to 7 others.

Oh, but you get to play your main to gear an alt - yeah, because that matters. Lol.

[Neophyte]

Why don't we just remove tanks and healers from the game? Because that's what will happen here. Why should I sit in a 20 minute queue for Alliance Roulette as a Tank when DPS gets it in 5,

If your tank queue is 20 min and your dps one is 5 min, that means that there are already way to many tanks queuing. Your logic is flawed.
If no one tanks, tanks get insta queues (<5min) and dps get longer queues.